A rough price for upgrading to RS2 spec

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  • Robatron
    S2Forum Extremist
    • May 2004
    • 1168
    • Country: England

    #1

    A rough price for upgrading to RS2 spec

    I am after a rough guide price for upgrading to RS2 spec on my 3B, would anybody be able to give me a brief run down?

    Also, I will be slowly looking to acquire parts so if anyone has any parts I may need then let me know and I'm sure we can come to some sort of agreement.
  • Sonic
    Administrator
    • Jul 2006
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    #2
    haha.. your the third person (including myself) who ive spoken to about this in the last coupe of days!

    I have an ABY, but my calculations are as follows (not including labour):

    RS2 Intercooler ~ 250
    RS2/wagner Exhaust Manifold ~ 500
    RS2 Turbo ~ 300
    034 rods ~ 300
    RS2/37lb injectors ~ 150
    RS2 airbox ~ 200
    MRC Remap ~ 500
    Gaskets, bolts etc ~ 500
    Labour ouch
    -----
    ~2700
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    • s2driveruk
      Super Moderator
      • Jul 2003
      • 12696
      • Country: England

      #3
      hmmm, from what i've seen about £1500 - £2000 maybe more if you do rods etc too

      I'm maxed out otherwise i'd be doing exactly the same
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      1992 3b S2 Coupe

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      • Robatron
        S2Forum Extremist
        • May 2004
        • 1168
        • Country: England

        #4
        RS2 Intercooler ~ 250 (I've got a larger intercooler for less than half the price..so far so good! )
        RS2/wagner Exhaust Manifold ~ 500
        RS2 Turbo ~ 300
        034 rods ~ 300
        RS2/37lb injectors ~ 150
        RS2 airbox ~ 200 (just bought one for £240 from VAGparts)
        MRC Remap ~ 500 ( I can get my car remapped for in the region of £150 from a close friend)
        Gaskets, bolts etc ~ 500
        Labour ouch (Will hopefully be doing this myself)

        David: Perhaps when project can of worms finishes you can get cracking on the RS2 side of things?

        It will be a little qhile until this happens for me but I would like to get the ball rolling by acquiring parts.

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        • s2driveruk
          Super Moderator
          • Jul 2003
          • 12696
          • Country: England

          #5
          yeah thats the plan, get the basics sorted then add the power

          Good luck rounding the bits up......
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          1992 3b S2 Coupe

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          • Robatron
            S2Forum Extremist
            • May 2004
            • 1168
            • Country: England

            #6
            I think I will need it!

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            • UrS4boy
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Feb 2006
              • 11859
              • Country: Canada

              #7
              Originally posted by Sonic
              I have an ABY, but my calculations are as follows (not including labour):

              RS2 Intercooler ~ 250
              RS2/wagner Exhaust Manifold ~ 500
              RS2 Turbo ~ 300
              034 rods ~ 300
              RS2/37lb injectors ~ 150
              RS2 airbox ~ 200
              MRC Remap ~ 500
              Gaskets, bolts etc ~ 500
              Labour ouch
              -----
              ~2700
              I think there are a few things off in that list. First thing is if you can get a new KKK RS2 turbo for 300 GBP, I can arrange a list of people a mile long to buy them. I think the real price is 600 GBP.

              An RS2 turbo can only be pushed safely to about 370 crank HP. The stock rods are good to just over 400 crank HP so 034 rods aren't really needed.

              Gaskets and bolts seems a bit high. I would say more like 250 GBP.

              Labour: I took all my RS2 parts, down to the last nut and had my mechanic install them. Bill was the equivalent of 200 GBP. Best money I ever spent on my car.
              RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
              94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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              • Jamo
                Retired OG Mod
                • Mar 2004
                • 21750
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Originally posted by UrS4boy
                I think there are a few things off in that list. First thing is if you can get a new KKK RS2 turbo for 300 GBP, I can arrange a list of people a mile long to buy them. I think the real price is 600 GBP.

                An RS2 turbo can only be pushed safely to about 370 crank HP. The stock rods are good to just over 400 crank HP so 034 rods aren't really needed.

                Gaskets and bolts seems a bit high. I would say more like 250 GBP.

                Labour: I took all my RS2 parts, down to the last nut and had my mechanic install them. Bill was the equivalent of 200 GBP. Best money I ever spent on my car.
                Rod rating is against primarly against torque not bhp. 500nm max 550nm at a push but thats living in the dangerzone.

                The RS2 turbo can and will bend stock rods if pushed anywhere near it's potential. There are numerous BTDT.

                If you want to run stock rods get a 2871 turbo, it doesn't generate as much torque but has the same bhp output.

                You are looking at a 2.5-3k bill to do a true RS2 conversion. Now here's the thing if your adaptable there are many parts that can be used that are cheaper than RS2 items and do the same or better job like the Big IC for example.

                RC or 034 injectors etc etc

                The two biggest choice are EM manifold and turbo. THe wagner replica looks like it's going to be popular item.

                For a turbo if your putting all that outlay into the engine then weigh up do you want a 2871, RS2 turbo or 3071

                Recently I've received some questions concerning the suitability of the GT-2871R and 3071R for street use, specifically with the loss of drivability. Since I own a chipped 200q20v still wearing its stock K24 and I do tuning on a pair of 200's that have at various times had an RS2, an RS2 Comp...

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                • Robatron
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • May 2004
                  • 1168
                  • Country: England

                  #9
                  What is the difference between the 3071 turbo and the RS2 turbo?

                  Also, would I need any head/cam work done?

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                  • Sonic
                    Administrator
                    • Jul 2006
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                    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                    #10
                    Originally posted by UrS4boy
                    I think there are a few things off in that list. First thing is if you can get a new KKK RS2 turbo for 300 GBP, I can arrange a list of people a mile long to buy them. I think the real price is 600 GBP.
                    Never was a new RS2 turbo mentioned. Im going on the basis that Azman was selling his RS2 turbo at £300 and no one took it - he ended up ebaying it.

                    Originally posted by UrS4boy
                    An RS2 turbo can only be pushed safely to about 370 crank HP. The stock rods are good to just over 400 crank HP so 034 rods aren't really needed.
                    What Jamo said.

                    Originally posted by UrS4boy
                    Gaskets and bolts seems a bit high. I would say more like 250 GBP.
                    Always need some lee-way in the budget

                    Originally posted by UrS4boy
                    Labour: I took all my RS2 parts, down to the last nut and had my mechanic install them. Bill was the equivalent of 200 GBP. Best money I ever spent on my car.
                    Glad to hear! I wont be doing the work myself.
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                    • MattS2
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 657
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Rs2 turbo s/h - £400
                      Rs2 ecu s/h - £350
                      Rs2 intercooler s/h - £250
                      Rs2 airbox new - £250
                      Rs2 ex. manifold new - £450
                      Bolts and gaskets - £200
                      034 rep. injectors - $295 + shipping/duty (£150 ish)
                      034 3" downpipe - $495 + shipping/duty (£250 ish)
                      Miltek 3" exhaust - £450
                      044 motorsport fuel pump - £150

                      Total without labour - £2900......................

                      So that's how much I've spent, almost.
                      Wish I hadn't added that lot up.

                      Thanks
                      Matt.
                      Ex owner of a 1993 Silver Avant - RS2 spec.
                      2002 A8 sport 2.8 quattro Sold
                      2003 A6 Avant Tdi
                      Mk Indy 2.0 pinto circa 160 Bhp
                      2004 VW Caddy SDi
                      2002 Civic Type R

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                      • Ross
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 3399
                        • Country: England

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MattS2
                        So that's how much I've spent, almost.
                        Wish I hadn't added that lot up.

                        Thanks
                        Matt.
                        Heh heh.. I don't do list's anymore it's too damn depressing. Of course it is dependant on where you're at; with a heavily modded ABY on stock turbo you're almost there! This is a much easier conversion if you aquire the parts over time and make the odd upgrade (like the RS2 airbox, IC, exhaust) on the way and then do the EM + turbo when everything else is in place ala Laser Avant (Al); his thread is a damn good example of how this can be a good home-brewed project for the enthusiastic among us!

                        Cheers
                        Ross
                        AUDI - saving Dad's from minivans since 1994

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                        • Acidburn
                          S2Forum Obsessed
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 13459
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                          #13
                          Lol and to think I had a rs2 intercooler and sold it for 120 quid

                          Said i'd reserve the next one for david if all goes well with it.

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                          • Ross
                            S2Forum Possessed
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 3399
                            • Country: England

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Acidburn
                            Lol and to think I had a rs2 intercooler and sold it for 120 quid

                            Said i'd reserve the next one for david if all goes well with it.
                            ..and where does such a supply come from?! Do you have a secret hoarde of broken RS2's? They cost a packet from Audi.. i bought one for about that figure myself, but it had minor pully damage (had been welded, painted + pressure tested tho).
                            AUDI - saving Dad's from minivans since 1994

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                            • Chris5044
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 1663
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              how much is the labour costs? might i ask ?? have mrc got any quotes? or tom?

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