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  • blackS2
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    • Apr 2010
    • 455
    • Country: Germany

    #76
    Originally posted by prj
    What AFR were you running?
    full throttle goes rich to 11.2
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    • prj
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      • Mar 2010
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      #77
      Originally posted by blackS2
      full throttle goes rich to 11.2
      During prolonged runs go richer. Down to 10.2 or so, it should help your EGT's...
      Of course you will lose some power.
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      • blackS2
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        • Apr 2010
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        #78
        Originally posted by prj
        During prolonged runs go richer. Down to 10.2 or so, it should help your EGT's...
        Of course you will lose some power.
        yes, I know... with 50/50 it goes to 10.6 and EGT 950-980...

        the old MOTRONIC Setup was 10.3 and 950-985... ign 26.25

        but this is all unexplainable rich and high...
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        • Takumi
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          • Oct 2009
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          #79
          are you sure, your EGT is well calibrated? After a good run, does your header glow a little?
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          • blackS2
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            • Apr 2010
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            • Country: Germany

            #80
            Originally posted by Takumi
            are you sure, your EGT is well calibrated? After a good run, does your header glow a little?
            yes.. two different EGT gauges and 3 different sensors used...

            glowing?? I dont know because I use to cool down a few miles...
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            • prj
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              • Mar 2010
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              #81
              Originally posted by blackS2
              yes, I know... with 50/50 it goes to 10.6 and EGT 950-980...

              the old MOTRONIC Setup was 10.3 and 950-985... ign 26.25

              but this is all unexplainable rich and high...
              I think this is pretty normal.
              Take any newer Audi RS car for a spin like this, and they will quickly reach 980C EGT, and then flood the engine until EGT drops.
              You should know this if you are playing with ME7

              To stabilize the EGT on prolonged full throttle (german: vollgasfest), you have to do some pretty drastic things.
              You must either lower the boost, run a very rich AFR or both to keep the EGT's stable.

              The trick to do this without hurting the performance in lower gears is to use EGT's for closed loop mixture control. Or EGT based enrichment.
              Sadly not possible with the old Motronic, so I use IAT's for this (as they shoot up as well eventually). But with VEMS it should be possible to do it "properly".
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              • blackS2
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                • Apr 2010
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                • Country: Germany

                #82
                Originally posted by prj
                I think this is pretty normal.
                Take any newer Audi RS car for a spin like this, and they will quickly reach 980C EGT, and then flood the engine until EGT drops.
                You should know this if you are playing with ME7

                To stabilize the EGT on prolonged full throttle (german: vollgasfest), you have to do some pretty drastic things.
                You must either lower the boost, run a very rich AFR or both to keep the EGT's stable.

                The trick to do this without hurting the performance in lower gears is to use EGT's for closed loop mixture control. Or EGT based enrichment.
                Sadly not possible with the old Motronic, so I use IAT's for this (as they shoot up as well eventually). But with VEMS it should be possible to do it "properly".
                Yes I know from reading a lot stuff - hours and hours ;-)... testing with OSTRICH... in VEMS now, I have a function like ME7 (BTS) ... if the EGTs are going to far, the boost is lowered and fuel is added... an now 50/50 is added... BTS has nothing to do now... maybe i could mount a second injector and add timing/remove fuel...

                but the EGT problem is only relevant at 1% of running time, because 99% of time I do not run faster than 200... ...no problems on 1/4 mile runs...
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                • Rocco
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                  • Aug 2007
                  • 6393
                  • Country: Spain

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Rocco
                  what?

                  ill check tomorrow if is not wet
                  ok,is time to check

                  maybe i will dont survive
                  bye¡
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                  • Rocco
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                    • Aug 2007
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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Rocco
                    ok,is time to check

                    maybe i will dont survive
                    bye¡
                    well,done¡¡¡

                    with engine hot after the test just iddling before stop the car : 480ºC
                    3rd gear / 6000rpm : 600ºC
                    4th gear / 6000rpm : 650ºC
                    5th gear / 6000 rpm : 725ºC

                    boost was around 1.8/2.0bar not WOT,around 80% TPS,i cant go WOT since it is very rich and i have explosions in the exhaust ,the car very fast anyway

                    no Water/meth injection and 12ºC outside
                    turbo is GT3076 0.82AR

                    are they normal my EGT?

                    and here you can see where and how is fitted the EGT sensor

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                    BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
                    LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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                    • AndyP
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                      • Feb 2004
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                      #85
                      There's no real point in doing it unless you can go WOT. I see about 760°C in mine after an uphill 6th gear pull, EGT sensor is in the same place as your.

                      I've always been told that you should be looking at around 850°C with the sensor after the turbo?
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                      • prj
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                        • Mar 2010
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                        #86
                        Originally posted by AndyP
                        There's no real point in doing it unless you can go WOT. I see about 760°C in mine after an uphill 6th gear pull, EGT sensor is in the same place as your.

                        I've always been told that you should be looking at around 850°C with the sensor after the turbo?
                        Correct.
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                        • A80Avant
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                          • Sep 2005
                          • 10873
                          • Country: Greece

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Rocco
                          well,done¡¡¡

                          with engine hot after the test just iddling before stop the car : 480ºC
                          3rd gear / 6000rpm : 600ºC
                          4th gear / 6000rpm : 650ºC
                          5th gear / 6000 rpm : 725ºC

                          boost was around 1.8/2.0bar not WOT,around 80% TPS,i cant go WOT since it is very rich and i have explosions in the exhaust ,the car very fast anyway

                          no Water/meth injection and 12ºC outside
                          turbo is GT3076 0.82AR

                          are they normal my EGT?

                          and here you can see where and how is fitted the EGT sensor

                          In that position the sensor will have a wider difference on low temps and smaller on higher temperature.
                          Ar some point in my setups I had 2 egt sensors one on the hotside and one on the downpipe, further down than yours.

                          When I used to get 900C on the hotside I had around 830-850 on the downpipe, about 25-30cm away. So the sensor being where it is is actually quite close to the figures you would see on the manifold.

                          My sensor now is on the collector and I never push it more than 950.

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                          • blackS2
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                            • Apr 2010
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                            • Country: Germany

                            #88
                            ...with 80% throttle I have absolut no EGT issues...
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                            • Rocco
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                              • Aug 2007
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                              #89
                              Originally posted by AndyP
                              There's no real point in doing it unless you can go WOT. I see about 760°C in mine after an uphill 6th gear pull, EGT sensor is in the same place as your.

                              I've always been told that you should be looking at around 850°C with the sensor after the turbo?
                              Ok Andy,this is the best i can do for now.... i can overtake any car with 80% TPS and 2.0bar
                              RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
                              BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
                              LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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