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  • Jamo
    Retired OG Mod
    • Mar 2004
    • 21750
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    Jeffer are you going to use Audi trigger? or your own method?

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    • zlobo
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jan 2004
      • 967
      • Country: Sweden

      #17
      i herd that they have fixed the problem with the audi trigger so now you can rev 9000rpm witout problems
      ABT C5 Lord Of The Rings
      2004 1/4 Mile ET 12.00 191Km/h @1,5Bar
      2009 1/4 Mile ET 11.92 213Km/h @ 1,5Bar 437WHp
      2010 1/4 Mile ET 11.45 110Km/h @ 1,5Bar 437Whp
      kostic.nu

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      • Jamo
        Retired OG Mod
        • Mar 2004
        • 21750
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        Originally posted by zlobo
        i herd that they have fixed the problem with the audi trigger so now you can rev 9000rpm witout problems
        Yes but most I5 users don't use it they use an alternative method.

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        • pnanassy
          S2Forum Addict
          • Dec 2004
          • 287
          • Country: Hungary

          #19
          Hearing is one thing,having problems in real life is another.
          Just an advice: if you havent seen a thing working with your own eyes VEMS related,dont trust...
          I was told about 9 months ago that Auditrigger is fully working.LOL
          Peter Nanassy

          Custom Engine Management,and Electronic Fuel Injection solutions supplier , contact me for details.

          http://www.carstyling.hu/car_shower.php?id=19845
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOVA_285Rs

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          • Billman
            S2Forum Freak
            • Nov 2004
            • 4129

            #20
            So does it work now or not? What do you suggest?
            Go Holset or Go RS4

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            • pnanassy
              S2Forum Addict
              • Dec 2004
              • 287
              • Country: Hungary

              #21
              I have seen 1 car running (Marcells car) with VERY LIMITED power output on auditrigger,so thats not a "working" high output install in my book.THe other cars here i heard of were having problems.If you buy such a thing,at least you want to rev your engine 1000-2000rpm more than factory.I also heard different opinions on the 135 teeth robbing ECU time,i dont know how it works but looks like they have also problems figuring that out.A P&P system is maybe easy to install,but im not a fan of them so i always use new wiring looms.

              I think if someone is limited at the installation of a new loom,he should stuck with the OEM system...
              Peter Nanassy

              Custom Engine Management,and Electronic Fuel Injection solutions supplier , contact me for details.

              http://www.carstyling.hu/car_shower.php?id=19845
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOVA_285Rs

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              • kalsket
                S2Forum Fanatic
                • Sep 2004
                • 78
                • Country: Finland

                #22
                Hi All,

                I'm running VEMS PnP ecu in my RS2 every day, 450Hp (and 7500rpm) without any problem. And works much nicer than Motronic never did. It is true that auditrigger took a plenty of time to get it working, but has been that for about 3 months now.
                So far I have installed 5 of those in Finland in 5cyl audis, people have been pleased with it.

                We have also new boost control version in beta-testing and it seems to work just fine, so no need for avc-r unless you want different boost depending on gear.
                4F 2006 avant 3.0tdi quattro
                4B 2002 S6 avant quattro
                typ85 sedan quattro with "minor" changes

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                • pnanassy
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 287
                  • Country: Hungary

                  #23
                  I would like to se a 9000RPM car with 135 teeth running low 10's...
                  That would be an evidence for me!

                  BTW congratulations to get it even running flawlessy at those power levels,it was defenietly your hard work!

                  BTW ,Kalske dont you have any freerevving issues (with no load?) ?What accel enrichment settings do you use (on what size injectors) ?

                  Thanks,Peter
                  Peter Nanassy

                  Custom Engine Management,and Electronic Fuel Injection solutions supplier , contact me for details.

                  http://www.carstyling.hu/car_shower.php?id=19845
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOVA_285Rs

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                  • Jeffer
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 2057
                    • Country: Netherlands

                    #24
                    I'll be running my own trigger design.

                    A friend of mine has VEMS running on his 5-cilinder. On stock sensors. No problems.....
                    RS2 Black - stock 315 HP
                    RS2 RS blau - stock 315 HP
                    Sport Quattro - 1005 HP
                    High Octane website

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                    • kalsket
                      S2Forum Fanatic
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 78
                      • Country: Finland

                      #25
                      BTW congratulations to get it even running flawlessy at those power levels,it was defenietly your hard work!

                      BTW ,Kalske dont you have any freerevving issues (with no load?) ?What accel enrichment settings do you use (on what size injectors) ?
                      Thanks Peter, it has taken quite a while to make it perfect
                      Making cold start perfect is a real pain in the ****, as you get only one or two tries per day

                      No issues with freerevving with 630cc Siemens injectors.
                      Acc_enrichment:
                      4 - 0,1
                      12 - 0,2
                      20 - 0,3
                      35 - 0,4
                      duration 1,5s
                      4F 2006 avant 3.0tdi quattro
                      4B 2002 S6 avant quattro
                      typ85 sedan quattro with "minor" changes

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                      • Jamo
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 21750
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Originally posted by kalsket
                        Thanks Peter, it has taken quite a while to make it perfect
                        Making cold start perfect is a real pain in the ****, as you get only one or two tries per day

                        No issues with freerevving with 630cc Siemens injectors.
                        Acc_enrichment:
                        4 - 0,1
                        12 - 0,2
                        20 - 0,3
                        35 - 0,4
                        duration 1,5s

                        That what worries me, you say it's taken time and a pain in the **** to get cold starts perfect?

                        Still looking at VEMS i'm leaning towards a remap at the moment, time is money money is time just need to balance which one is going to be more important in this case.

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                        • kalsket
                          S2Forum Fanatic
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 78
                          • Country: Finland

                          #27
                          That what worries me, you say it's taken time and a pain in the **** to get cold starts perfect?
                          You can make it good in just couple of starts, but if you want perfection (enough fuel but not a cc that isn't needed) will take time.

                          When ever you want 400++ (limit for std maf), remap is no longer a good option. Up to 400 it is. If you buy your vems from www.vems.co.uk the base setup you get will most likely be based on months of my blood, sweat and tears.
                          4F 2006 avant 3.0tdi quattro
                          4B 2002 S6 avant quattro
                          typ85 sedan quattro with "minor" changes

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                          • repo
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 893
                            • Country: Finland

                            #28
                            Did they make the protection against ghost signals into the code yet?
                            Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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                            • kalsket
                              S2Forum Fanatic
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 78
                              • Country: Finland

                              #29
                              We are still working on it
                              4F 2006 avant 3.0tdi quattro
                              4B 2002 S6 avant quattro
                              typ85 sedan quattro with "minor" changes

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                              • rob@vems.co.uk
                                S2Forum Tinkerer
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 4
                                • Country: England

                                #30
                                I thought I'd stick my nose in here because people keep sending me the link to this forum

                                A lot of work has gone into the noise filtering circutry and trigger detection code on this system (is amazing how focused people can get when they've got their own cars), as always theres a few minor issues to solve.

                                pnanassy - if you're having problems with the newest firmware, please let us know and we'll get your datalogs and setup and see what's causing the problem, is it possible that some of the filtering thats done in the factory ECUs might not have been implemented in your setup? I've not seen any issues reported on your wiki page so I cant be sure.

                                Cold starts are never easy regardless of which ECU you choose to go for, but with our wideband lambda feedback you only have to concern yourself with getting the thing close as once the wideband is warmed up it can be used to trim the warm-up enrichment. The main problem with warm-up is that you get one chance a day to get it right.

                                As for me never having had anything to do with I5's thats true, I've spent my time developing installations for Japanese cars (Nissan 200SX and Skyline, Toyota Corollas etc) the prinicples are the same across all engine types and once you're running on a 'known good' trigger type the problems you'll see are more about general tuning than hardware specifics.

                                If people have any questions about the level of support that I offer, you only need roll over to the support forum: http://www.vems.co.uk/forum or check the resellers on my links page. The main support for the VEMS webshop is through the wiki, which almost nobody gets on with so I started the forum, its run by me and 90% of the support is through me, I get extremely good back-up from the other development team guys for the stuff that I dont know the answer to.

                                For the last few months I've been looking for an AAN car, but there aint too many of them about, not like the "Japanese Fords" I'm used to.

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