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  • Mihnea
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2003
    • 1288
    • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

    #1

    3B owners, your attention please!

    Hey guys, in the following months I'll be developping a dizzy removal kit for the 3B, or at least a kit that will allow removing the HT part from the dizzy and to use it to drive 5 separate coils, all this by retaining the stock ECU and wiring harness. Basically it should be a bolt-on part that will go on the dizzy and 5 coils that will drive each spark plug.

    Interested?
    38
    Yeah, come on, do it quicker!!!
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    26
    Oh well, why not?
    13.16%
    5
    400+BHP? Thanks but no thanks
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    3
    Dunno, what's a dizzy? what's a coil?
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    '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

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  • marty
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Nov 2003
    • 55
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Im interested what would we gain from it

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    • martinjs
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Jul 2003
      • 3205
      • Country: England

      #3
      Mihnea, is this only needed for big power applications,
      is there much work involved to fit,
      something like the top of this pic:-


      im struggling to find space in my engine bay at the mo'
      have a catch tank to fit too
      flamin' battery in way :mad: what a stupid idea to leave it there in early 3b's
      could do with being moved to boot.

      martin

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      • Mihnea
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Jul 2003
        • 1288
        • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

        #4
        Originally posted by marty
        Im interested what would we gain from it
        The idea is that there is a limit to HP on a 3B engine, given a turbo/compression ratio/rods/crank RPM combination, at some point (and somewhere around 400 HP I think) the 3B ignition system can't charge a single coil too quick enough in order to provide a strong enough spark at the cylinders. With 5 coils you have eliminated this problem!

        HTH,

        Mihnea
        '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

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        • Mihnea
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Jul 2003
          • 1288
          • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

          #5
          Martin, nah no way it takes so much space, the coils will be a lot smaller and we might even be able to supply with part numbers for coils that would fit on top of the 3B valve cover but I think it's too early now to be able to guarantee this kind of thing...

          An idea for you, get a battery holder out of a LHD S2 and fit it under the rear seat, much less hassle and much more room to fit a catch tank and possibly a 5 coil pack.

          Cheers,

          Mihnea

          Originally posted by martinjs
          Mihnea, is this only needed for big power applications,
          is there much work involved to fit,
          something like the top of this pic:-


          im struggling to find space in my engine bay at the mo'
          have a catch tank to fit too
          flamin' battery in way :mad: what a stupid idea to leave it there in early 3b's
          could do with being moved to boot.

          martin
          '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

          www.MRCTuning.com
          info@MRCTuning.com
          Workshop Directions

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          • martinjs
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Jul 2003
            • 3205
            • Country: England

            #6
            But theres no 'box' under the seat for it to go in, id have to cut the floor out and weld one in which i dont really want to do

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            • Mihnea
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1288
              • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

              #7
              Originally posted by martinjs
              But theres no 'box' under the seat for it to go in, id have to cut the floor out and weld one in which i dont really want to do
              that's what I meant but if you don't want to do it, it should be fine too in the trunk...
              '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

              www.MRCTuning.com
              info@MRCTuning.com
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              • Vagsport
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Aug 2003
                • 533
                • Country: United States

                #8
                Coupe boots aren't that big to start with.

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                • Jeffer
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 2057
                  • Country: Netherlands

                  #9
                  Hi Mihnea!

                  Sounds as a very interesting mod.
                  I'm seconds away off doing the msd ignition swap on my wheels.

                  What are the costs approx.? And do you have some more pics off the system. Did you actually build it to a 3b engine?


                  Cheers
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                  RS2 RS blau - stock 315 HP
                  Sport Quattro - 1005 HP
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                  • urq20v
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 218

                    #10
                    Hi Mihnea.
                    I take it that this would work for the RR as well?
                    Rex

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                    • Mihnea
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 1288
                      • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Originally posted by urq20v
                      Hi Mihnea.
                      I take it that this would work for the RR as well?
                      Rex
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                      '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

                      www.MRCTuning.com
                      info@MRCTuning.com
                      Workshop Directions

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                      • Mihnea
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1288
                        • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jeffer
                        Hi Mihnea!

                        Sounds as a very interesting mod.
                        I'm seconds away off doing the msd ignition swap on my wheels.

                        What are the costs approx.? And do you have some more pics off the system. Did you actually build it to a 3b engine?


                        Cheers

                        Hi Jeffer,


                        no idea as to costs so far, the project is due to start in late January and I have no clue how long it will take to develop... shouldn't take very long but we'll see and I'll keep you guys posted about this!!!

                        Cheers,


                        Mihnea
                        '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

                        www.MRCTuning.com
                        info@MRCTuning.com
                        Workshop Directions

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                        • Lee
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 1512
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          Grant from Dubweiser did a similar mod to his S2 engined Golf MK1. You guys might know his car. He converted his igniton system to use 1.8T coilpacks. He had to reshape one to fit around the oil filler cap. It was simple mod with a Dremel on the coilpack to do this though. Now, ignoring the problems that Audi had with a few batches of coilpacks which caused lots of problems for a while on these engines, are these of further benefit? I guess the donor parts must be cheaper? Would this be of benefit to an ABY engined car? Is there more energy available from these modern coilpacks? Been curious about this for a while, since GTi this year actually when I was talking to him about his 550bhp+ engined car. He was running something like Motec for the engine management system though.

                          Lee
                          1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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                          • audiman
                            S2Forum Freak
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 4827
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Mihnea, we will be having a little chat about this on Sunday!! Misfires occur at about 1.9-2.0 bar boost. Trust me! BTDT. Seemed to be ok at that boost on cars with smaller turbos than mine tho. That 26/27 pushes a lot of air mind.
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                            • newsh
                              S2Forum Obsessed
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 16226
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              Sounds very interesting and a good way to cure the rattle too eh?

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