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  • GT500
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jun 2006
    • 2181
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    RS2 Engine knock developing!!

    Well its just one of those months!!!
    I noticed on sunday afternoon a slight knock on pickup, (just after embarassing Mr evo 5!) and now its getting worse... blip the throttle stood still and deffo crankshaft speed hollow knock from deep inside,,,, not impressed!
    Hoping its a big end bearing,, as not such a big job.
    Bit puzzled as to why its done it,,, its only on 80,000. full service history. Synta gold.
    it is worse as the engine gets hotter...
    oil pressure at tick over is 1.8 bar at 75 degrees oil temp..is this low? seems enough to me..

    Fully knobbed off with the ******, i have so much soddin work to do i just don't have time for this!!!!!!
    Rob..
    94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
    87 UR 20v ABY
    97 S6 Avant
    96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
    1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8
  • 4WheelDrifter
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Oct 2004
    • 5773
    • Country: Devon

    #2
    ******. That doesn't sound good. It does seem a little out of character for an engine so young.
    SS

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    • alg
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Apr 2004
      • 1160

      #3
      Worth thinking about engine mounts
      Alastair
      RS2

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      • s2dude
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Nov 2005
        • 1631
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Originally posted by GT500
        Well its just one of those months!!!
        I noticed on sunday afternoon a slight knock on pickup, (just after embarassing Mr evo 5!) and now its getting worse... blip the throttle stood still and deffo crankshaft speed hollow knock from deep inside,,,, not impressed!
        Hoping its a big end bearing,, as not such a big job.
        Bit puzzled as to why its done it,,, its only on 80,000. full service history. Synta gold.
        it is worse as the engine gets hotter...
        oil pressure at tick over is 1.8 bar at 75 degrees oil temp..is this low? seems enough to me..

        Fully knobbed off with the ******, i have so much soddin work to do i just don't have time for this!!!!!!
        What a ******..
        What thickness is synta gold Rob?, 1.8 at 75 degrees and tickover is lower than my cars 2.2 - 2.5 bar in that state but Im not sure what other RS2 owners see?
        Sounds like time to park her up in the garage and drop the sump? ...You could also drop the oil out first and check using a magnet for unusually high amounts of metal in the old oil if you plop it in a big tray.
        I found some fragments in the oil filter on a previous car I used to own when the big ends went south Hope it works out ok matey

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        • sal_s2
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Jul 2003
          • 1287
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          I have a lower oil pressure reading than yours and I use 10w 60. No knocking noises though. Make sure it is the engine before you start spending.
          I dont rate synta silver or gold other than for use in not so high performance cars

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          • GT500
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jun 2006
            • 2181
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Its not a mounting, just a light blip, as in not enough to rock the engine on the mounts is all that needed to hear it...

            Back to the trusty UR! I will strip it down on sunday, oh what a day off!

            Anyone know the crank measurments? may as well have an idea on the wear..

            Cheers fellas..
            Rob..
            94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
            87 UR 20v ABY
            97 S6 Avant
            96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
            1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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            • GT500
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Jun 2006
              • 2181
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Gold is what Audi specs for oil, ran my UR on it from day one and that has the biggest of big thrashings all its life! 95,000 since i built the engine .

              Don't think its an oil type issue, but i am not ruling anything out untill i get in there!
              Rob..
              94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
              87 UR 20v ABY
              97 S6 Avant
              96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
              1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #8
                @Rob - that is very unusual... We all know how robust the bottom end of S2/RS2 is and its barely broken in at 80k miles. Must admit I am no fan of Synta Gold either - its rather on the thin side but I very much doubt it has caused the problem.

                Try pulling fault codes - the knock sensors should be picking this mechanical noise up and if it is persistent then I'd expect the ECU to store an alarm. Not 100% sure though. Is there any possibility that this noise is a misfire side-effect caused by a bad coil-pack ? Just curious of that if this problem only appeared after some spirited driving as when coils go bad they get worse with heat.

                Oh also check none of the sparkplugs are loose !
                Paul Nugent
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                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                • GT500
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 2181
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Cheers Paul, good thinking!
                  Perticulary like the knock sensor idea!

                  Funny how your mind jumps for the worse case...

                  I will have a gander in the morning!

                  Cheers,
                  Rob..
                  94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
                  87 UR 20v ABY
                  97 S6 Avant
                  96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
                  1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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                  • GT500
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 2181
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by S2central.net
                    @Rob - that is very unusual... We all know how robust the bottom end of S2/RS2 is and its barely broken in at 80k miles. Must admit I am no fan of Synta Gold either - its rather on the thin side but I very much doubt it has caused the problem.

                    Try pulling fault codes - the knock sensors should be picking this mechanical noise up and if it is persistent then I'd expect the ECU to store an alarm. Not 100% sure though. Is there any possibility that this noise is a misfire side-effect caused by a bad coil-pack ? Just curious of that if this problem only appeared after some spirited driving as when coils go bad they get worse with heat.

                    Oh also check none of the sparkplugs are loose !

                    Not got any loose plugs, and the noise is the same cold or hot..... coils all look ok, i know what a dieing one looks and smells like! It almost sounds like that induction noise that webers make at low revs,,,
                    I will try the com when i get to work...
                    Rob..
                    94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
                    87 UR 20v ABY
                    97 S6 Avant
                    96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
                    1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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                    • blown_vr6
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 406
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Unfortunately does sound like a big end bearing is failing .
                      Similar noise that i had on my 900 turbo shortly after a flying lap of Goodwood - oil starvation rear'd its ugly head .
                      Was your oil level slightly low? - just scratching round for possible causes.....
                      'If you ain't broke it you ain't trying hard enough'

                      Oh sh*t i broke it

                      94 S2 Homefried Decatted Slipperwagon,QRS Top Mounts,Ally Subframe bushes,Poly ARB & Wishbone bushes,RS2 ARB's,Koni & H&R's,Cupra Brembo's and 312mm discs

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                      • GT500
                        S2Forum Fiend
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 2181
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        level was in between min and max... plus no cornering just a thrash up a hill.

                        Had my race engine machinist/builder have listern today,,, he says it sounds more like piston slap. great.

                        not checked com but will do tonight.

                        looking like engine out on sunday.
                        Rob..
                        94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
                        87 UR 20v ABY
                        97 S6 Avant
                        96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
                        1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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                        • GT500
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 2181
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          No fault codes at all!

                          So its looking like a full strip

                          Piece of sh#t!!
                          Rob..
                          94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
                          87 UR 20v ABY
                          97 S6 Avant
                          96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
                          1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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                          • S2central.net
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 16590
                            • Country: Northern Ireland

                            #14
                            Keep the faith Rob - that is very very rare indeed. Let us know what you find !
                            Paul Nugent
                            Webmaster http://S2central.net
                            Administrator http://S2forum.com

                            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                            Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                            There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                            • GT500
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 2181
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              After running the engine with no ancillaries,(ps pump,a,c alt) and making no difference to the noise, Out it came...

                              I don't know what Fritz had for brecky the day he tightend my bellhousing bolts up but ****** me they were tight!

                              I will try ripp it to bits in the next day or two.

                              Rob..
                              94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
                              87 UR 20v ABY
                              97 S6 Avant
                              96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
                              1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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