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  • Albie S2
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Oct 2004
    • 138
    • Country: South Africa

    #1

    20v Na Engines

    Hi

    are all 20v 5cyl engines called 7a engines???????

    thks
    www.cardomin.com/member/745893
  • mcandmar
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Apr 2004
    • 5118
    • Country: Ireland

    #2
    There was also a 2 litre version called the NM, 7A is the 2.3 litre 20v. ...yes basically.
    91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
    93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
    94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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    • 4WheelDrifter
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Oct 2004
      • 5773
      • Country: Devon

      #3
      NM, 7A, 3B, ABY, AAN and ADU are all 5 cylinder 20V engines.
      SS

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      • 4WheelDrifter
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Oct 2004
        • 5773
        • Country: Devon

        #4
        Has anyone actually seen an NM engine? Did we get them in the UK?
        SS

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        • Keith
          S2Forum Fanatic
          • Sep 2003
          • 84
          • Country: France

          #5
          Hello :

          some 10V non turbo engines :

          KV : 2.2 liter 136 ps
          NG : 2.3 liter 136 ps

          Some 20V non turbo engines :

          NM : 2.0 liter 160 ps (replaced by 7A 'cos of not enough torque)
          7A : 2.3 liter 170 ps

          Some 20V Turbo engines :
          3B : 2.2 liter (semi-electronic ignition) 5 speed (S2 coupé 89-mid 93 4500 cars) 220 ps
          ABY : 2.2 liter (electronic ignition) 6 speed (S2 coupé 1500 cars/limo-300 cars/avant-1800 cars) (mid93-96) 230 ps
          ADU : 2.2 liter (porsche improvement) 6 speed (RS2 Avant 2200 cars /limo -only 3)
          AAN : 2.2 liter (audi 100 S4) 5 or 6 speed (free option) 230 ps
          1B : 2.2 liter (semi-electronic ignition) Audi 200 turbo 20V

          there are even some more....

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          • Keith
            S2Forum Fanatic
            • Sep 2003
            • 84
            • Country: France

            #6
            Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
            Has anyone actually seen an NM engine? Did we get them in the UK?
            I forgot something, initially the NM was buit for the Italian requirements :

            all engines above 2 liter were (and still ???) overtaxed that's why they built a 1994 cm3.


            They were found on Coupé & limo T89 audi 90


            Coupé 20V 2.0E 1989 1994 cc/160 ch 339 cars
            Coupé 20V 2.0E quattro 1989 1994 cc/160 ch 1 470 cars
            90 20V quattro 1989-1991 1994cc/160 ch 1 589 cars (Italy)

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            • mcandmar
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Apr 2004
              • 5118
              • Country: Ireland

              #7
              Originally posted by Keith
              initially the NM was buit for the Italian requirements, all engines above 2 liter were (and still ???) overtaxed that's why they built a 1994 cm3.
              Thats what i've read in a few places, never seen one myself but i have heard of people getting there hands on NM cams so there out there somewhere.
              91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
              93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
              94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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              • 4WheelDrifter
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Oct 2004
                • 5773
                • Country: Devon

                #8
                Originally posted by Keith
                I forgot something, initially the NM was buit for the Italian requirements :

                all engines above 2 liter were (and still ???) overtaxed that's why they built a 1994 cm3.


                They were found on Coupé & limo T89 audi 90


                Coupé 20V 2.0E 1989 1994 cc/160 ch 339 cars
                Coupé 20V 2.0E quattro 1989 1994 cc/160 ch 1 470 cars
                90 20V quattro 1989-1991 1994cc/160 ch 1 589 cars (Italy)
                Thanks. That would add up with what I had heard somewhere too.

                How could I miss the RR? Well I had a hard day yesterday, and I missed the 'NA' in the title anyway.
                I didn't know a 1B was a 20V.
                SS

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                • spink
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 4382
                  • Country: England

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                  I didn't know a 1B was a 20V.


                  your right Stu a 1B is an old 10v.

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                  • baltiboyS2
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 965
                    • Country: Scotland

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mcandmar
                    Thats what i've read in a few places, never seen one myself but i have heard of people getting there hands on NM cams so there out there somewhere.
                    i know of three 2.0 five pots in my younger days in metallic blue almost like kingfisher blue
                    in the north of scotland

                    raj aby

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                    • Keith
                      S2Forum Fanatic
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 84
                      • Country: France

                      #11
                      Originally posted by spink
                      your right Stu a 1B is an old 10v.
                      Right !!!!!
                      My mistake

                      th 1B is a 10V turbo 200 HP !!!

                      the Audi 200 20VT engine code is 3B (quite strange as it is probably a little different in a 200 than in a S2).

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                      • zuru
                        S2Forum Tinkerer
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 3
                        • Country: Poland

                        #12
                        I've got NM engine in coupe quattro, so if you need to know something I will try to help you
                        3B in 200 20V is exactly the same engine like in S2, ECU is probably mapped different due to different characteristics of the car. I've got 3B taken from 200 20V installed in my Type 85 90 quattro.
                        Audi 90 B2 20V turbo quattro (3B)
                        Audi Coupe 20V quattro (NM)

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                        • veneto rs2
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 1022
                          • Country: Veneto

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Keith
                          I forgot something, initially the NM was buit for the Italian requirements :

                          all engines above 2 liter were (and still ???) overtaxed that's why they built a 1994 cm3.


                          They were found on Coupé & limo T89 audi 90


                          Coupé 20V 2.0E 1989 1994 cc/160 ch 339 cars
                          Coupé 20V 2.0E quattro 1989 1994 cc/160 ch 1 470 cars
                          90 20V quattro 1989-1991 1994cc/160 ch 1 589 cars (Italy)
                          Not anymore overtaxed above two liters..........it was based on a different percentage in VAT 38% instead of 19% over two liters
                          road tax nowadays goes on kilowatts the more you have the more you pay
                          not enough if you own a euro0/euro1/euro2/euro3 tou pay even more accordingly

                          The 2 liters 20 valves for the italian market was IMHO........ crap!

                          my RS2 road tax this year it's 983,42 euros

                          Stefano
                          http://www.audisportclub.com/

                          http://www.s2forum.com/forum/vbgoogl...227295&zoom=16

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                          • porkkis
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 1994
                            • Country: Finland

                            #14
                            Originally posted by zuru
                            I've got NM engine in coupe quattro, so if you need to know something I will try to help you
                            3B in 200 20V is exactly the same engine like in S2, ECU is probably mapped different due to different characteristics of the car. I've got 3B taken from 200 20V installed in my Type 85 90 quattro.
                            Actually no they are not. 3B200 and RR are closer to each other.
                            Few 3B S2 and 200 differences:
                            -Flywheel
                            -Breather
                            -Oil pan if S2 with A/C
                            -Boost pipe by cam cover
                            -ECU SW slightly different

                            NM engined cars were also imported to Finland but not too many.
                            -

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                            • Mr.Crossfire
                              S2Forum Enthusiast
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 145
                              • Country: Finland

                              #15
                              I have an 90 sedan with NM engine. One of the few in Finland. The engine has absolutely no torque at all. Makes some power between 4200-7000
                              Here's the identification sticker.

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