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  • Tommy200rs
    S2Forum Addict
    • Jan 2004
    • 285

    #1

    Tuning parts www-link



    Titanium valve spring retainers
    H-beam steel rods
    Solid lifters
    Adjustable Cam Sprocket
    Valves
    JE Forged Racing Piston Sets
    Main Stud Girdle Kit
    Glyco Sputter Rod Bearing Set

    Combine the light race titan retainers with lightweight hydraulic lifters (VAG 050109309J ) - ~56g (Meyle product 100 109 0029) and you save about 300gr of moving weight per cam compared to original hydraulic lifters.


  • EspenW
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Apr 2007
    • 1534
    • Country: Norway

    #2
    Lightweight lifters is a no brainer, and can extend the rev range without having to go to stiffer springs (stiffer springs cause a parasitic loss through friction and sap power everywhere in the rev range).
    The weight saving per dollar/quid is much higher for the lifters than for the titanium retainers
    1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
    1994 80E Avant
    1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #3
      n-i-c-e info there... Didn't know there was lightweight lifters from the parts bin already...
      Paul Nugent
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      1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

      Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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      • A80Avant
        S2Forum Obsessed
        • Sep 2005
        • 10873
        • Country: Greece

        #4
        does that happen with hydraulic lightweight lifters as well?the 034 ones are replacement hydraulic and lightweight!niceee

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        • EspenW
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Apr 2007
          • 1534
          • Country: Norway

          #5
          Lightweight hydraulic lifters are OEM, and have been around for a long time.
          Got them on my Golf, along with the light Supertech valves, I can rev that 2L 8v to 8K on stock springs (but it doesn't make any power up there)
          1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
          1994 80E Avant
          1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #6
            Espen - can you please advise part number on these lighter OEM lifters ? I assume if good for 16V Golf then good for I5T... I had simply no idea that VAG had introduced them at some point.

            I'm not so interested in lightweight lifters for 8000rpm (got an ECU rev limiter to overcome 1st and a K24 is well past maximum puff at this point) but its more to increase 'revability' if it helps the engine accelerate faster with less losses on the valvetrain - gut feel is that its less of an impact than going from DM to SM flywheel for example, but if building a head then it makes sense to me that the lightest reliable lifters available should be used.
            Paul Nugent
            Webmaster http://S2central.net
            Administrator http://S2forum.com

            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

            Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

            There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #7
              D'oh - just realised Tommy posted it already - 050109309J - sorry... Looks like a common fitment on many many engines (4/6/8 cyl) from mid nineties, versus the 034109309AD of the I5T engines.
              Paul Nugent
              Webmaster http://S2central.net
              Administrator http://S2forum.com

              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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              • Flat on my back
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Jan 2007
                • 2449
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                .

                Any one got one to weigh...just cant see how you can lose 300gms per cam or 30gms per lifter.

                I'll have to weigh a 7A one tonite, unless someone beats me to it.
                Carlos.

                On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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                • s2avant
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 2426

                  #9
                  According to my system here at work (I can't vouch for the accuracy of the figures - they are normally correct but there is no substitute to actual measurement):
                  Code:
                  034 109 309 AD     Stock Lifter           68g
                  050 109 309 J      Lightweight Lifter     56g
                  That gives a saving of 12g per lifter, so 120g per cam.

                  Looking at the other weights my system lists (again no guarantee of accuracy) there is a lot of weight in the other valve train components. Total listed per lifter is 261g (not including the lifter)!!! This seems very high so said I would prefer to see an accurate measurement rather than these numbers before drawing any conclusions.

                  Ben
                  the best intentions are fraught with disappointment - gil grissom

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                  • EspenW
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1534
                    • Country: Norway

                    #10
                    Lighter valvetrain components will make the engine rev faster, but the effect is miniscule compared to lighter flywheels or lighter pistons/rods.
                    The reason is that the stroke is very short compared to the piston stroke, and these components move at only half of the engine speed. The main reason why people fit them is to extend the rev range.
                    You always want the softest valve spring that will not float at redline, lighter valvetrain components enable you to run a softer valve spring, thus having less power loss to friction.
                    I have a laugh when I read about people installing stiffer valve springs with stock cams and stock redline. All you get is a power loss at all rpms in addition to accelerated wear.
                    1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
                    1994 80E Avant
                    1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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                    • Flat on my back
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 2449
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Right i'm home now so...

                      just put one of my 7A lifters on me bestest kitchen scales and the result is...

                      'bout 75gms.

                      Includes a wee bit of oil so 68gms sounds pretty good.

                      HTH.
                      Carlos.

                      On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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                      • Tommy200rs
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 285

                        #12
                        Here one source with :



                        use search with code 050109309J and press start

                        FEBI bilstein code 9135931 finds also the item

                        results:

                        INA - Ventilstößel
                        Preis: 146.28 €
                        Marke: INA - ( Schaeffler Group Automotive Aftermarket )
                        ArtNr.: 420 0043 10
                        EAN: 4005108016836
                        ArtInfo.: Aussendurchmesser [mm]: 35
                        Verpackungseinheit: 1
                        Höhe [mm]: 26
                        MengeProVerpackung: 8
                        Standard
                        Betriebsart: hydraulisch

                        Kennziffern: 050 109 309 C - AUDI; SEAT; SKODA; VW;
                        050 109 309 J - AUDI; SEAT; SKODA; VW;
                        050...


                        VAICO - Ventilstößel
                        Preis: 185.79 €
                        Marke: VAICO - ( VAICO )
                        ArtNr.: V10-0161
                        ArtInfo.: Verpackungseinheit: 1
                        MengeProVerpackung: 8
                        Standard
                        Betriebsart: hydraulisch

                        Kennziffern: 055 109 309 C - VAG;
                        050109309A - VAG;
                        050109309H - VAG;
                        050 109 309 C - VAG;
                        050 109 309 J - VAG;
                        050 109 309 A - VAG;
                        050 109 309 H - VAG;
                        050 109 309 - VAG;
                        050109309C...


                        The weight measurement was based on scale measurements with old lifters

                        With light lifters and retainer ~30g each times 20 divided by 2 is about 300

                        For me it is not known what the old brand lifter is. There may be some inaccuracy in measurement but the alternatives are much lighter though expensive. All up to you to decide. If I was renewing the lifters in engine project, I would put the lightest ones available.
                        Last edited by Tommy200rs; 22 October 2008, 11:18.

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                        • lind4hl
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 2465
                          • Country: Sweden

                          #13
                          there i will order from, tnx!

                          One thing i've learned we are way behind the Scandinavians!

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                          • Tommy200rs
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 285

                            #14
                            Some more links collected together here for further analysis.
                            Has also different weight measurement results.

                            Okay, guys and gals, I am getting ready to redo the head on my 16v Passat and I went and splurged. I bought the lightened lifters from Vince @ QualityVW. Here are the numbers that are on the box. TRW Federal Mogul 54-3301 8pcs Audi 030305 / 030 VW 034 109 309 If anybody figures out a way to...




                            interesting warning:


                            Gewicht Original Hydrostößel im Audi 100 & 200 (C3/C4/Typ44, A6 C4) Forum – Technik, Teile, Erfahrungen.


                            And the nice INA Catalogs :
                            Audi censored (United States of America Section Vehicle Selection )


                            Audi Autobahn Land Selection:
                            Last edited by Tommy200rs; 25 October 2008, 08:13.

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                            • HPmuirt
                              S2Forum April Fool
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 3014
                              • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                              #15
                              Hey Tommy,

                              Maybe you could summarise and translate for us (particularly the warning link)?

                              I suspect that like me, most of the forum have distant schoolboy German only which is not enough to understand these sites

                              Cheers n

                              Si
                              95 ABY S2 Coupe - Ragusa Green
                              Subtle mods here and there


                              2011 A5 3.0 TDi - Lava Grey
                              With every option available (except a towball)

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