engine won't start, s2 3b 91 mod coupè

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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #16
    Guys guys - forget sparks for now...

    Q1 - Is the hall sensor producing a signal ?
    This can be easily tested with a LED across two pins at the dissy when cranking.

    Q2 - Is there a trigger pulse from the crankshaft position sensor (G4) ?
    You really need a scope for that one... Reference pin might have sheared off - it happens. When you get a scope on there - check that G40 pulse window wraps the G4 pulse. And when your there check that the rpm sensor G28 is OK... Oh and mkae sure they are connected to the correct plugs.

    Q3 - Is the timing belt aligned and tensioned OK ? Actually that should be Q1

    If you get this far, then its time to see if the ECU produces low tension trigger pulses that enter the POS unit - part of the coilpack on 3B - if they exist then see if amplified pulses come out of POS unit... Then see if you get HT at the coil...

    Checked resistance of coil windings yet ?

    Checked the HT lead from coil and rotor arm condition ?
    Paul Nugent
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    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
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    • powercar
      S2Forum Fanatic
      • May 2008
      • 93
      • Country: Norway

      #17
      like i said earlier in the thread, i haven't get the chance to check things properly yet, but tomorrow i'll be checking for the problem and use all of the good tips i've recived her in the thread

      thanks guys for all the good help so far

      it's just wired, it worked just fine until i took a stop and then it just wouldn't start again
      IG: Alb garage

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      • Beetie
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Oct 2003
        • 1517
        • Country: England

        #18
        I'm having the same problem with a mate 2.3 10v
        Same fault as yours ive tryed a coil (well 2 actually) didnt work.
        Changed the fuel pump as that was knackered anyway and thats made no difference, so im thinking that its going to be the hall sensor - Paul how did you say to check it as i dont really want to shell out the money for one from ben when i can check it first!
        Was a '93 3B, Dont ask now tho......

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        • powercar
          S2Forum Fanatic
          • May 2008
          • 93
          • Country: Norway

          #19
          well, today i have been checking some things out.
          there is spark from the coil, and i have been checking the g4 and g28 sensors.
          the g4 has about 930 ohms and the g28 has about 858 ohms. these should have aprrox 1000 ohms
          have been cheking the fuses to for the fuel pump and some others, forgot to check the relay to the fuel pump at that time.

          so, do anyone have any more ideas what it could be? :/

          is it possible to check the g40 with a multimeter? don't have a LED for the moment so i'm just wondering if i can test it for ohms maybe?
          Last edited by powercar; 25 October 2008, 16:30.
          IG: Alb garage

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #20
            Checking resistance across the sensors does not prove they are working... However, the fact you are getting sparks, proves that there must be signals coming from them when cranking the engine.

            Is it a healthy looking strong spark or not - you can *carefully* hold the plugs against engine/earth while cranking the engine to verify sparks are getting there and they look strong.
            Paul Nugent
            Webmaster http://S2central.net
            Administrator http://S2forum.com

            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

            Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

            There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #21
              Scope signals

              Paul Nugent
              Webmaster http://S2central.net
              Administrator http://S2forum.com

              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #22
                G40 LED blink test - just needs an ordinary LED here - you'll see a pulse every camshaft revolution - half or crank rpm

                Paul Nugent
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                Administrator http://S2forum.com

                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                • powercar
                  S2Forum Fanatic
                  • May 2008
                  • 93
                  • Country: Norway

                  #23
                  so i just have to hold the LED against pin 1 and 2 and then it would blink every camshaft revolution?
                  IG: Alb garage

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                  • Knight Rider S4
                    S2Forum Possessed
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 3541
                    • Country: Scotland

                    #24
                    Originally posted by powercar
                    well, today i have been checking some things out.
                    there is spark from the coil,
                    Did you check via plug lead or the coil lead to the dizzy?
                    93 S2 Avant Parting
                    91 URQ RR
                    02 A4 tdi Avant

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                    • powercar
                      S2Forum Fanatic
                      • May 2008
                      • 93
                      • Country: Norway

                      #25
                      i checked via the coil lead to the dizzy and not via the plug lead
                      IG: Alb garage

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                      • Beetie
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 1517
                        • Country: England

                        #26
                        I take it paul, that this applies to all il5 engined dizzy's? If so ill be checking tomorrow!
                        Was a '93 3B, Dont ask now tho......

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                        • Knight Rider S4
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 3541
                          • Country: Scotland

                          #27
                          Originally posted by powercar
                          i checked via the coil lead to the dizzy and not via the plug lead

                          Before you do anying else get a plug on one of the leads to ensure the dizzy is transmitting the spark
                          93 S2 Avant Parting
                          91 URQ RR
                          02 A4 tdi Avant

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                          • powercar
                            S2Forum Fanatic
                            • May 2008
                            • 93
                            • Country: Norway

                            #28
                            knight rider s4- i'll do that tomorrow
                            IG: Alb garage

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                            • powercar
                              S2Forum Fanatic
                              • May 2008
                              • 93
                              • Country: Norway

                              #29
                              well, i have just measured the voltage back to the fuelpump and it's 0V!
                              so, does this mean that it is the fuelpumprelay that is dead?
                              IG: Alb garage

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                              • newsh
                                S2Forum Obsessed
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 16226
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #30
                                Did you measure it while cranking?

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