bigger fuel pump than 044?

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  • A80Avant
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Sep 2005
    • 10873
    • Country: Greece

    #1

    bigger fuel pump than 044?

    http://cgi.ebay.de/Bosch-Motorsport-...3A1|240%3A1318

    just found this on the german bay. It looks like the 044 and i may be wrong but it seems to have a different bosch part number. Could this be a different model?
  • terrybullwon
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Mar 2006
    • 8782
    • Country: England

    #2
    Search the forum, some where i posted a link to the bosch catoluge.

    HTH
    Chef

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    • jade
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Jan 2005
      • 1811
      • Home: New Zealand Current: Spain

      #3
      I think that's the motorsport version saw a thread here the other day with part numbers of the the pumps can not find it now
      RS 2 580HP

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      • AllarN
        S2Forum Enthusiast
        • Feb 2007
        • 151
        • Country: Sweden

        #4
        I have that pump in my car.
        It comes from Dahlbäck racing, and he takes 827 EUR for it.
        He says it delivers 300 L/h at 10 bar...

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        • terrybullwon
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Mar 2006
          • 8782
          • Country: England

          #5
          Originally posted by AllarN
          I have that pump in my car.
          It comes from Dahlbäck racing, and he takes 827 EUR for it.
          He says it delivers 300 L/h at 10 bar...
          You been had

          Did you really pay that much?
          Last edited by terrybullwon; 8 April 2009, 16:12.
          Chef

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          • terrybullwon
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2006
            • 8782
            • Country: England

            #6
            Chef

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            • AllarN
              S2Forum Enthusiast
              • Feb 2007
              • 151
              • Country: Sweden

              #7
              Originally posted by terrybullwon
              You been had

              Did you really pay that much?
              No, it was mounted in the car when I bought it
              I thought it was a usual 044, but then the earlier owner told me it was the motorsport variant.

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              • jade
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Jan 2005
                • 1811
                • Home: New Zealand Current: Spain

                #8
                Originally posted by A80Avant
                http://cgi.ebay.de/Bosch-Motorsport-...3A1|240%3A1318

                just found this on the german bay. It looks like the 044 and i may be wrong but it seems to have a different bosch part number. Could this be a different model?
                Try This
                RS 2 580HP

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                • A80Avant
                  S2Forum Obsessed
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 10873
                  • Country: Greece

                  #9
                  so basically the 044 to that have only difference the bar at which they deliver? when it is said @ x bar what does it mean? the amount of pressure that can safely operate OR at which pressure they are delivering that amount of fuel?

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                  • a4kquattro
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 411
                    • Country: United States

                    #10
                    Originally posted by A80Avant
                    so basically the 044 to that have only difference the bar at which they deliver? when it is said @ x bar what does it mean? the amount of pressure that can safely operate OR at which pressure they are delivering that amount of fuel?
                    it means it delivers the indicated flow @ the given pressure. They are different for the different pumps, because it is likely an indication that the different pumps produce optimum flow at different operating pressures.

                    Bear in mind that with a 4 bar pressure regulator (which your engine uses stock) you would be running 6bar fuel pressure at 2 bar boost.
                    Marc Swanson
                    Proprietor, EFI Express
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                    • A80Avant
                      S2Forum Obsessed
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 10873
                      • Country: Greece

                      #11
                      so if the 044 pump is optimal @ 5bar,then would this one with 8bar working pressure be better? Or just because it is 6bar instead of 8 it wont deliver it's max quality of fuel?

                      On the other hand,if an FPR of 5bar is used,then it gets closer to the 8bar figure.But what happens in the lower pressures? if im working at 1.7 to 1.8bar for example...

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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #12
                        Vasilis - you are thinking too much again

                        Say 044 Typ1 flows 200 l/h at 5bar system pressure
                        and 044 Typ2 flows 200 l/h at 8bar system pressure

                        With a 4bar FPR and ~2bar boost you have approx 6bar system pressure... At this level only the Typ2 can provide 200 l/h of flow - but do you actually need that much ?

                        What is your target power level here ?

                        I can estimate the fuel flow required from that. Memory is you have something like 550cc injectors already so thats good for ~550bhp territory on a 5-pot engine - factoring in the 4bar FPR gives decent headroom. Ball park estimate then says you need circa 165 l/h at the point where you are making max power - what is the boost level at that point ?
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                        • a4kquattro
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 411
                          • Country: United States

                          #13
                          be careful of too high fuel pressure as well

                          The other thing I should mention is that I do not recommend you exceed 7 bar rail pressure. Any of my customers that run near 3bar boost I typically dial down to 3bar base fuel pressure. Sometimes fuel injectors (and pumps for that matter) can begin to behave strangely over 7bar rail pressure.
                          Marc Swanson
                          Proprietor, EFI Express
                          95.5 //S6 Avant
                          90' Coupe Quattro V8 4.2L twin turbo
                          93' //S4
                          83' UrQ
                          97' F250 7.3 diesel

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                          • newt
                            S2Forum Buff
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 40
                            • Country: United States

                            #14
                            The pressure differential across the injectors is static, there shouldn't be any 'strange behavior' under boost that isn't there at any other running condition, for the injectors. As far as the injector is physically concerned the fuel pressure stays static.
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                            • A80Avant
                              S2Forum Obsessed
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 10873
                              • Country: Greece

                              #15
                              i was referring to 7bar of total pressure (meaning 5bar fpr + 2bar of boost)

                              i was taking into account the facts that repo was mentioning about the 044 being too short for 500-600hp car.

                              Im now using 440cc injectors @ 3bar and bought the 630cc @ 3bar from siemens,so basically those @ 2bar should be enough with the 044.

                              BUT,safety first! thats all

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