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  • WidowmakerS2
    S2Forum Addict
    • Oct 2007
    • 354
    • Current: Norway

    #16
    According to a guy at another forum, these are what's keeping my fuel pump from priming/running:



    The red/white wire in the background is a loose one without a connector.

    Checked B-plug. All wires in the right places.
    If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

    -CQ 3b "S2".

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #17
      Observe Track #14 - pin 3 from ECU is what activates the fuel pump relay... It needs to a specific type of relay here - not like on KV or 7A engine for example.

      ECU pulls that pin to 0V so that the relay energises... then (and only then) should you get 12V at 87a, O and H87F terminals
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      • WidowmakerS2
        S2Forum Addict
        • Oct 2007
        • 354
        • Current: Norway

        #18
        So.. I need a new relay?

        Aha..
        If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

        -CQ 3b "S2".

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        • S2central.net
          Retired OG Mod
          • Jul 2003
          • 16590
          • Country: Northern Ireland

          #19
          part number for S2/RS2 FPR is 8A0 951 253 B

          You can just jumper the contacts temporarily if you wish to run the pump so as to crank the engine into life and prove that all other wiring is OK.
          Paul Nugent
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          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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          • WidowmakerS2
            S2Forum Addict
            • Oct 2007
            • 354
            • Current: Norway

            #20
            Okay, we have starter power
            Turned out the whole F-connector was loose.:mischeif:

            Although I can't hear the fuel pump, there's def fuel in the system when I crank it.
            I had a small leak in one of the hoses and a much bigger one near det filter.

            Still won't fire up though..
            If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

            -CQ 3b "S2".

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            • WidowmakerS2
              S2Forum Addict
              • Oct 2007
              • 354
              • Current: Norway

              #21
              Update:

              -Fuel to fuel rail
              -Starter runs. Engine turns over nicely
              -Plugs are dry(injectors not opening)
              -No spark

              Reasons?:

              -Timing?
              -CPS?
              -Earth cable from engine mounting to chassis is not there Starter is running fine though.
              If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

              -CQ 3b "S2".

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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #22
                Make sure all the earths are good...

                no signal from rpm sensor ==> no fuel pump activation - did you fit an S2/RS2 fuel pump yet - it has an extra pin for ECU control
                Paul Nugent
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                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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                • WidowmakerS2
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                  • Oct 2007
                  • 354
                  • Current: Norway

                  #23
                  Could be just an earth problem then.

                  I was just out and checked connectors. The dizzy connector was only barely in place, probably moved it when I fiddled with the breather hoses.

                  With the dizzy connector in place, I think I have spark.
                  Took a short vid for you to evaluate.

                  Start up attempt #325
                  If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                  -CQ 3b "S2".

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                  • WidowmakerS2
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                    • Oct 2007
                    • 354
                    • Current: Norway

                    #24
                    There's def fuel in the engine! Took out all the plugs today, and they were all wet. Dried them off and tried again, but still it only fires on one or two cylinders about every 10 secs.
                    If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                    -CQ 3b "S2".

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                    • newsh
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                      • Aug 2003
                      • 16226
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Try reversing the wires to the hall sender? When I rebuilt my ur it would only fire weakly once every few seconds, the wire colours to the hall sender were wrong. Took a while to find that

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                      • newsh
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                        • Aug 2003
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                        #26
                        Mmm, just watched the vid, its deff trying to start ..

                        Can you pull codes? Vagcom or blinks?

                        Is the MAF connected ok? Known to be good?

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                        • newsh
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                          • Aug 2003
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                          #27
                          Check your dizzy static timing very carefully, it has to be exactly on the marks, with the engine rotated forwards onto them.

                          S2 Coupe 3B Project


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                          • WidowmakerS2
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 354
                            • Current: Norway

                            #28
                            I'll pull codes first thing tomm. Timing is 2nd.

                            MAF is connected and known to be good.
                            If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                            -CQ 3b "S2".

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                            • WidowmakerS2
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 354
                              • Current: Norway

                              #29
                              No luck pulling codes.
                              Timing was off a bit at the bottom, and the 13mm nut holding the dizzy in place was loose (sure i tightened it before though).

                              IT'S ALIVE!!
                              If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                              -CQ 3b "S2".

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                              • S2central.net
                                Retired OG Mod
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 16590
                                • Country: Northern Ireland

                                #30
                                Result ... It's usually something fundamental with these 'no start' threads
                                Paul Nugent
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                                Administrator http://S2forum.com

                                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                                Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                                There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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