550 to 600 hp which injectors ?

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  • ian4455
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Nov 2010
    • 787
    • Country: England

    #1

    550 to 600 hp which injectors ?

    Started my 3b upgrade, Complete engine rebuild new rods & pistons.
    Not sure to use Audi ECU or VEMS yet only thing for sure is V8 coil conversion.

    Turbo should do 550hp, what size injectors to use thinking EV14 1000cc
  • JP
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Mar 2007
    • 1858
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Im running 690cc asnu injectors
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    • amd is the best
      S2Forum Enthusiast
      • Nov 2009
      • 109
      • Country: United States

      #3
      Siemens Deka 870's work very well in my car.
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      • JP
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Mar 2007
        • 1858
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Siemens deka 630's and especially 850's have the worst spray pattern and have been the result of several engines being.rebuild due to borewash because of fuel dribbling into the bores after the combustion cycle. When we put the injectors on a flow test rig you would have gotten a better spray pattern by urinating.

        If you keep original stock rough intake port. Stock compression. Stock squish pattern. You can get away with it as the engines were designed in an era where injectors weren't very good.

        If you change to different pistons you are signing your engines early demise using poor spray pattern injectors. As reference on a scale of 1-5 1 being the worst spray pattern the siemens 630 rated between 1 and 2. And flow varied from 625 to 653.

        Some people are lucky and never run into a problem maybe we had a bad batch that sat on the shelf too long (injectors go faulty if they are left sitting too long without fuel passing through them, ASNU recommend max of 2-4weeks after flow matching before you run the risk of poor flow match). Don't know either way I would never advice anyone to run siemens again.

        P.s. ev14's are good but 1000cc is too big for that power bracket. ASNU's use a bosch plug with the ev14 internals difference is they make them to whatever cc you want with whatever spray pattern you need for your application.
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        • Jamo
          Retired OG Mod
          • Mar 2004
          • 21750
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Ev14 from 500 to 1000cc spray pattern really don't change
          I'd say 650 for 500-600 or 750cc if you are going for 600

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          • aronmatic2
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jan 2004
            • 2129
            • Country: Hungary

            #6
            i have very good experience with ev14 injectors. I used 1000cc with perfect idle.
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            • newsh
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Aug 2003
              • 16226
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Originally posted by RWD19T
              Siemens deka 630's and especially 850's have the worst spray pattern and have been the result of several engines being.rebuild due to borewash because of fuel dribbling into the bores after the combustion cycle.
              Could this be the cause of my car having a momentary flat spot when getting back on the gas when driving 20-30mph in traffic? Pretty sure I'm on deka 630s..

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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #8
                Originally posted by RWD19T
                Some people are lucky and never run into a problem maybe we had a bad batch that sat on the shelf too long (injectors go faulty if they are left sitting too long without fuel passing through them, ASNU recommend max of 2-4weeks after flow matching before you run the risk of poor flow match). Don't know either way I would never advice anyone to run siemens again.
                You did not run into a bad batch. They all start to do that eventually.
                Especially after they've done 10k+ plus, the spray pattern basically does not exist at low pulsewidths.
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                • GazzaG60
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 4133
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  i used to run the dekka 630's . had no issues with them but you do get what you pay for and technology moves on.

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                  • europeanme
                    S2Forum Possessed
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 3817
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10

                    I got my EV-14 (750s) from these guys....

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                    • SE_30
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1114
                      • Home: England Current: Israel

                      #11
                      Originally posted by europeanme
                      http://stores.ebay.co.uk/fiveomotorsport
                      I got my EV-14 (750s) from these guys....
                      Me included, but had to pay the import duty as always, five 0 seems to be the only place you to keep them in stock.
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                      • Mcstiff
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 504
                        • Country: United States

                        #12
                        Why not go with EV14 1000s? You have headroom for the future.
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                        • JP
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 1858
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          That's where the advantage lies with the ASNU's ev14 internals, superior spray pattern and for a small fee they take your injectors and re cc them to whatever value you require upto a 1000cc using the same body. Alternatively you can run another body that supports 1000-2000cc if you are in the market for something bigger.
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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Not unless your planning on e85
                            750cc rated at 3 bar equal around 866cc at 4 bar aby / adu pressure
                            Enough for 700-750 bhp at least
                            The reason people go bigger imo on petrol is they max out injector duty cycle due to poor fuel delivery on stock sized fuel lines

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                            • Billman
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 4129

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jamo
                              Not unless your planning on e85
                              750cc rated at 3 bar equal around 866cc at 4 bar aby / adu pressure
                              Enough for 700-750 bhp at least
                              The reason people go bigger imo on petrol is they max out injector duty cycle due to poor fuel delivery on stock sized fuel lines
                              but if the FPR has a set pressure and the fuel pump/fuel lines can supply a certain amount of fuel then it doesn't matter what injectors you have when you reach the max of it.
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