Have no clutch on my 20v ur coversion! Plaese help!

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  • twoqu
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    • Sep 2003
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    #16
    As DJones as said, there is a difference between the 3B flywheel and perhaps the more desirable MB/RR late 200/100 turbo flywheel. As its thicker it moves the stack backwards. Either the original Ur components or the matching MB/RR would work without any problems. The 3B pressure plate is the same as a MB/RR/200 one so the issue is most likely the flywheel.

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    • george21
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      • Aug 2007
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      #17
      thank you guys for inputs! regarding flywheel,
      tonks4x4 can say more. as far as he told me he done setups like that not ones and had no issues.
      maybe a very silly question but does the driveshafts and prop shaft have to be connected to test it?
      what i done today i had a gearbox out third time and removed realese bearing completely with the fork and fitted it back on. still the same.
      can put into any gear while engine runing

      i'm lost

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      • twoqu
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        • Sep 2003
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        #18
        You haven't answered the spigot bearing issue. You have the correct sized for the input shaft installed in the end of the crankshaft?

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        • george21
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          #19
          Originally posted by twoqu
          You haven't answered the spigot bearing issue. You have the correct sized for the input shaft installed in the end of the crankshaft?
          Yes, spigot bearing replaced to take ur input shaft and fitted into crank

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          • twoqu
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            • Sep 2003
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            #20
            Not entirely sure but if you can change gear with the engine running without using the clutch then surely the clutch is disengaged. That would mean something is acting on the pressure plate.
            The other possibility is that you might have mixed up components.
            Are you using a genuine 3b flywheel or a 7a one?

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            • george21
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              • Aug 2007
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              #21
              ok there is some pics i took today, can you spot something wrong or incorect?IMG_0005.jpg

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              • adam g
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                • Feb 2007
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                #22
                Have you defo got the right friction plate in, i.e. splines match and engage transmission shaft.

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                • george21
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by twoqu
                  Not entirely sure but if you can change gear with the engine running without using the clutch then surely the clutch is disengaged. That would mean something is acting on the pressure plate.
                  The other possibility is that you might have mixed up components.
                  Are you using a genuine 3b flywheel or a 7a one?
                  flywheel i bough it here on forum as 3b one. i'll double check tomorrow on the part number, but i'm sure i did that allready when i bought it.
                  but when things turn wrong way you double checking everything

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                  • twoqu
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                    • Sep 2003
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                    #24
                    The pressure plate looks weird (too deep) - or is that just me?
                    Get a measurement from the face to the top of the fingers where the release bearing contacts.

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                    • george21
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by adam g
                      Have you defo got the right friction plate in, i.e. splines match and engage transmission shaft.
                      yea i had that on the gearbox when it was out again today. plate goes on nicely on the splines.

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                      • george21
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                        • Aug 2007
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by twoqu
                        The pressure plate looks weird (too deep) - or is that just me?
                        Get a measurement from the face to the top of the fingers where the release bearing contacts.
                        i measured that today,sandwich of flywheel+plate+pressure plate=105mm
                        pressure plate 70mm
                        flywheel 35mm
                        friction disk 10mm

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                        • twoqu
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                          • Sep 2003
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                          #27
                          I have only got the Sachs 707 pressure plate to hand but the dimension from the bottom to the top of the fingers is @58mm and from the face to the fingers @52.5mm.
                          The other thing that appears odd is that the fingers on my pressure plate are above the rim of the pressure plate when viewed from the side! I'll try and get a pic.

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                          • twoqu
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                            #28
                            Pic of the Sachs 707! Maybe someone can give you a stock 3b measurement for reference just in case it is different.
                            Attached Files

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                            • twoqu
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                              #29
                              Also looks like there are some score marks in the bellhousing of the gearbox not to mention the end of the input shaft loking a bit rough!
                              Can't quite see but it looks like there are still some ID numbers on the cover which might help. They are on the other side of the Type240 ID.
                              Last edited by twoqu; 3 December 2012, 22:14.

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                              • george21
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                                #30
                                thank you mate for input, pic. your pressure plate does look that spring leaves are above the rim, compare to mine that is nearly flat with the rim .
                                i'll double check on those score marks on the gearbox, i missed that! and input shaft i think it is ok it's just from dirty/oily gloves.
                                but the thing is i have no strange noise coming from gearbox if that pressure plat is touching gearbox. and even if it's touching it should drive gearbox!
                                i know it's not a rocket science but still can't figure it out what is wrong and it drives me mad for last three days now...

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