Vcds test

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • newsh
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Aug 2003
    • 16226
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    In fact just pull the plugs to the 3 devices and see if you have 12v going to them with the ignition on.

    S2 Coupe 3B Project


    Ur quattro restoration

    S2 Avant

    Boost is the new rock and roll!
    sigpic

    Comment

    • bilko0795
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Feb 2011
      • 1883
      • Country: Wales

      #17
      Originally posted by newsh
      In fact just pull the plugs to the 3 devices and see if you have 12v going to them with the ignition on.
      Will try that later thanks. And fuse 24 is ok.

      Comment

      • UrS4boy
        S2Forum Obsessed
        • Feb 2006
        • 11859
        • Country: Canada

        #18
        Originally posted by newsh
        In fact just pull the plugs to the 3 devices and see if you have 12v going to them with the ignition on.
        S24 and the N75, N80 and N71 that it feeds is energized by the J17 Fuel Pump relay. Not sure about 3Bs or ABYs but I know the AAN's J17 is not energized by the ECU (via pin T55/3) until the ECU gets a signal from the G28 engine speed sensor that the RPM during start is >13 RPM. Weak battery and <13 RPM = no start because the J17 isn't energized. So testing with just the ignition on would not work on an AAN, not sure about 3B/ABYs.

        RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
        94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

        Comment

        • newsh
          S2Forum Obsessed
          • Aug 2003
          • 16226
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Might need to crank it over to see the voltage then

          Or why not try the output tests for the devices on VCDS??

          S2 Coupe 3B Project


          Ur quattro restoration

          S2 Avant

          Boost is the new rock and roll!
          sigpic

          Comment

          • bilko0795
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Feb 2011
            • 1883
            • Country: Wales

            #20
            Dave you might be right as I have just tested the three plugs and no power at all so will try cranking the engine tomorrow I imagine it will be the same for ABY as for the AAN.

            Comment

            • UrS4boy
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Feb 2006
              • 11859
              • Country: Canada

              #21
              Originally posted by bilko0795
              Dave you might be right as I have just tested the three plugs and no power at all so will try cranking the engine tomorrow I imagine it will be the same for ABY as for the AAN.
              Might? I am very confident that I am right (i.e. you can't test the N71, N75 and N80 for power on a stopped engine - and maybe not a cranking engine, might as well just start it). (NOTE: The N71, N75 and N80 are all controlled by the ECU by the ECU grounding them through the ECU, they have power once the engine is started)

              More reading about the importance of the J17 Fuel Pump relay (and how it controls power to the injectors and N71, N75 and N80) can be found here:

              The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums
              RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
              94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

              Comment

              • twoqu
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Sep 2003
                • 3103

                #22
                I would have thought that if you have VCDS that you can measure power at the plugs during the output test with just the ignition on. Other than that the manual suggests measuring whilst cranking the engine.
                I think those components as have been suggested previously are all supplied power commonly through one set of contacts in the fuel pump relay, so its possible thats kaput. You can remove the top of the relay to check or susbsitute a known good one.
                If you have VCDS use the output test. No clicking or clanging on all would point to the power. You will need to work back up to the relay to see where the issue is.
                HTH!

                Comment

                • bilko0795
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1883
                  • Country: Wales

                  #23
                  Just tested the plugs with engine running no power present in any of them. So sounds like the fuel pump relay is faulty?

                  Comment

                  • UrS4boy
                    S2Forum Obsessed
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 11859
                    • Country: Canada

                    #24
                    Originally posted by bilko0795
                    Just tested the plugs with engine running no power present in any of them. So sounds like the fuel pump relay is faulty?
                    Well, if the engine is running, then at least some of the fuel pump relay is working. Even the part that might not be working, i.e. the part that feeds the S24 fuse must be working because the same 59/87a relay leg also feeds the S28 injector fuse. How are you testing for voltage at the N71, N75 and N80 connectors?

                    For example, for the N71 and N80, you need the DDM set to 0-20 VDC with the end of the DDM (+) probe in the red-wire pin with the (-) probe grounded to engine somewhere close.

                    N71 wiring (S75 is the AAN equivalent to the S24 in your car)



                    N80 wiring



                    RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                    94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

                    Comment

                    • twoqu
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 3103

                      #25
                      Originally posted by bilko0795
                      Just tested the plugs with engine running no power present in any of them. So sounds like the fuel pump relay is faulty?
                      Go back and test to see if there is power at fuse 24 with engine running. If you have power at the fuse and the fuse is ok then there must be a break in the wiring to the components. If there is no power you will need to check between the fp relay and the fuse for continuity.

                      Comment

                      • UrS4boy
                        S2Forum Obsessed
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 11859
                        • Country: Canada

                        #26
                        Originally posted by twoqu
                        Go back and test to see if there is power at fuse 24 with engine running. If you have power at the fuse and the fuse is ok then there must be a break in the wiring to the components. If there is no power you will need to check between the fp relay and the fuse for continuity.
                        (which is why I reposted the wiring schematic)
                        RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                        94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

                        Comment

                        • bilko0795
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 1883
                          • Country: Wales

                          #27
                          Originally posted by UrS4boy
                          Well, if the engine is running, then at least some of the fuel pump relay is working. Even the part that might not be working, i.e. the part that feeds the S24 fuse must be working because the same 59/87a relay leg also feeds the S28 injector fuse. How are you testing for voltage at the N71, N75 and N80 connectors?

                          For example, for the N71 and N80, you need the DDM set to 0-20 VDC with the end of the DDM (+) probe in the red-wire pin with the (-) probe grounded to engine somewhere close.

                          N71 wiring (S75 is the AAN equivalent to the S24 in your car)



                          N80 wiring



                          Just tested them again with a spare relay and I am getting 0.01 reading from all three plugs is this correct ? the relay I took out looks new but rattles when you shake it gently where the spare one doesn't.

                          Comment

                          • twoqu
                            S2Forum Possessed
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 3103

                            #28
                            0.01 what?

                            Comment

                            • bilko0795
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 1883
                              • Country: Wales

                              #29
                              Volts

                              Comment

                              • twoqu
                                S2Forum Possessed
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 3103

                                #30
                                No!
                                We are looking at getting 12V at one of the connector pins(of the 2).
                                Are you confident with electrics?
                                Not being rude but it makes a difference to how we explain things. Although Dave has had a good go!

                                Comment

                                Working...