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  • WidowmakerS2
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    • Oct 2007
    • 354
    • Current: Norway

    #31
    Just so the thread doesn't die before I've come to a solution, I'll keep posting here.

    -Ordered up a new hall sensor, rotor and metal gear to rebuild the distributor.
    I'll take pictures when I've taken it to pieces.
    If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

    -CQ 3b "S2".

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    • WidowmakerS2
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      • Oct 2007
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      • Current: Norway

      #32
      Rebuilt distributor, fired up. Still Will not start when warm. If i let it sit for a few hours, ut starts again. Tried switching the G4 and the G28 with no results.
      If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

      -CQ 3b "S2".

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      • newsh
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        • Aug 2003
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        #33
        Try a different coil?

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        • WidowmakerS2
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          #34
          Haven't tried that yet. What would be the reason why the old one won't work when warm?
          If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

          -CQ 3b "S2".

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          • WidowmakerS2
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            • Oct 2007
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            #35
            Blink codes:

            2113- G40 Will have to check wiring again? From memory, you can get this fault when G4 pin is bent or out of situ.

            2223- F96 not connected

            2341- Damned air leaks

            2112- G4. This one is interesting..

            2111- G28, engine not running.
            If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

            -CQ 3b "S2".

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            • newsh
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              • Aug 2003
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              #36
              Originally posted by WidowmakerS2
              Haven't tried that yet. What would be the reason why the old one won't work when warm?
              It's a classic coil fault, works fine when cold but breaks down when hot, normally causes a hot misfire though. Have you had it running in the dark and looked for stray sparks?

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              • newsh
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                #37
                Code 2112
                Is that hall sensor? They can break down when hot too!

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                • WidowmakerS2
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by newsh
                  Is that hall sensor? They can break down when hot too!
                  2112 is: Ignition timing (G4)
                  -No signal


                  I've just replaced my hall sensor. It still gives the 2113 though..

                  2113: Hall Sender (G40)
                  -Open circuit/short
                  cicuit to positive
                  -Signal to positive
                  -Short circuit to earth
                  -Signal to earth
                  -Mechanical fault
                  -Fault in basic setting

                  The 2113 can come as a direct result of the 2112, pin for G4 missing or out of spec.

                  The pin cannot be missing completely, or the engine wouldn't start when cold..
                  If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                  -CQ 3b "S2".

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                  • WidowmakerS2
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                    • Oct 2007
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                    #39
                    Pulled out both G4 and G28 today. The G28 had no resistance across any of the pins.
                    If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                    -CQ 3b "S2".

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                    • UrS4boy
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                      • Feb 2006
                      • 11859
                      • Country: Canada

                      #40
                      Crank Position (G4) and Engine Speed Sensor (G28) Info - Function , Location and PNs

                      Originally posted by WidowmakerS2
                      Pulled out both G4 and G28 today. The G28 had no resistance across any of the pins.
                      Testing a G4 is something like this: "Test the resistance between between pins 1 and 2 of the black connector end of the G4. (With the bump on the middle of connector up, the pins are, left to right, 1 ,2 and 3.) Between 1 and 2 you should have "approximately 1000 ohms".
                      If NO = replace, If YES - test between pins 1 and 3 and then 2 and 3. Both should be infinite ohms, i.e. "open", If NO = replace. If the G4 is fubar'd the engine will not start. If the engine is running when the G4 fails, it will keep running, but never start again (until you replace the G4).

                      Testing the G28 sender: Set DMM to resistance (2K ohms). Connect the leads to pins 1 and 2 (1 is on the left with the connector bump on top, 3 is on the right). Must be approximately 1000 ohms. If no, replace RPM sender. If Yes, connect the DMM between pins 1 and 3 and then 2 and 3, both must be infinite ohms (no continuity).

                      Some G4 and G28 reading for you:

                      Maintenance:
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                      General info including testing:
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                      • WidowmakerS2
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                        #41
                        Thanks! I'm working on the car right now.
                        I measured again now.
                        G28 has 958ohm between 1 and 2.
                        G4 has nothing.
                        If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                        -CQ 3b "S2".

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                        • UrS4boy
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                          • Feb 2006
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by WidowmakerS2
                          Thanks! I'm working on the car right now.
                          I measured again now. G28 has 958ohm between 1 and 2. G4 has nothing.
                          Retest the G4 and if it is still zero, then you will need a new one or a good used one. You could use a G28 sender if you painted the "new" G28 end the proper G4 colour to prevent mix-ups later.
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                          • WidowmakerS2
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                            • Oct 2007
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                            #43
                            Still zero. Checked that the G40 gives 5volt and 0 when it passes the window.
                            Fuel relay is not energized on start attempt.
                            If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

                            -CQ 3b "S2".

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                            • UrS4boy
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                              • Feb 2006
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                              #44
                              J17 Fuel Pump Relay and why it is important to an UrS

                              Originally posted by WidowmakerS2
                              Still zero. Checked that the G40 gives 5volt and 0 when it passes the window. Fuel relay is not energized on start attempt.
                              Well that is almost good news. Without a G28 signal telling the ECU that there more than 13 RPM (according to Paul N.) or 23 RPM (according to Audi literature), the ECU will not energize the J17 fuel pump relay - which in turn powers a bunch of other stuff needed to start and run the car. (All pointing to a failed or dirty G28 - check my G4 and G28 maintenance post link I provided earlier today).

                              For more J17 and G28 info, click on this:

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                              • Bowie69
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                                • Nov 2013
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                                #45
                                I had these symptoms intermittently in hot weather for years, replaced them both this year and not had a problem since!

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