How much, what to use to get somewhere 350-500bhp?

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  • bluequattro
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Nov 2004
    • 2960
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    I've a hybrid turbo (not sure what spec) rs2 injectors and an rs2 automark ecu
    Will I need anything else for a standard aby to get power?
    Bigger IC?
    I took them from a car I broke last year so don't know much about the parts
    Going on my type 85 cq

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    • Vorsprung durch Technik
      S2Forum Freak
      • Jun 2007
      • 4754
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      Originally posted by sofronieva91
      from which volvo is this turbo?


      96 URS6 plus speck saloon
      96 URS6 plus speck estate
      94 2.6 80 Avant
      99 2.8 final edition Cabriolet

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      • vti2
        S2Forum Addict
        • Jul 2010
        • 281
        • Home: Portugal Current: Germany

        #18
        How much, what to use to get somewhere 350-500bhp?

        A faster Turbo than the RS will Bend rods... Too much torque down low will kill the engine.
        I had a Setup with the RS EM, Orange GT2 Bosch injectors, RS IC, K26/27/29 Turbo, 3" exhaust, 044 Bosch pump, 5 Bar FPR, 90mm Airmass, RS clutch, MTM stronger rodbolts and MTM mapped to 1,95 bar overboost Holding 1,75 to redline, made 476hp and Never had problems.
        I regreted that i sold that car[emoji35]
        Setup costed 6000€ 15 years ago.

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        • prj
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Mar 2010
          • 6308
          • Country: Estonia

          #19
          Originally posted by vti2
          A faster Turbo than the RS will Bend rods... Too much torque down low will kill the engine.
          No amount of repeating this will make it true.

          I have personally mapped more than 20 cars on stock rods to 420-500hp and never bent a single rod.
          Yet I have seen cars with stock turbos and bent rods. Knock bends rods, not boost. If you're going to fit stronger rods and have tons of knock then next thing you are going to do is eventually spin a bearing or break a piston/ring.

          It's all in the mapping.
          http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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          • Rikki Kitto
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Feb 2010
            • 6276
            • Country: England

            #20
            Originally posted by Vorsprung durch Technik
            As has already been said by some experienced dudes on here one way is RS2 chipped for a reasonable sum.What hasn't been mentioned is drivability except by Kit. RS2 turbo is laggy low down so the best turbo for a no nonsense no lag modern newer technology turbo is the Volvo K24 7400 which will give 350bhp and super driverbility even low down.
            You could always go hybrid the AET RS2 one I managed to get is the nuts, no lag spools up fast pings the rev needle round like a bike😊 nice one Kit still trying to get it booked in for custom map but is driving lovely as is

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            • GazzaG60
              S2Forum Freak
              • Mar 2007
              • 4133
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              my 500hp was done for the following

              turbo brand new sc61 £550
              rods approx 180 scats new
              injectors 150 seimmens new
              wagner tubes - 350 new
              wagner rest - 1200 ish new ic, xmember, inlet
              block work 200
              7a cams £50
              arp bolts 100
              vems £650
              044 pump £55
              3" system 700
              thats cheap as im sure you will know. i made the most of exchange rates at the time about 5 yrs ago.

              then theres the rest for to handle it

              shocks - 120 a corner
              bushes etc ??
              brakes - 996 gt2 6pots £250, discs 115 each, pads 120

              i agree with prj its all in the tuning re rods. i had 2 issues along the way. cam sensor and possible but not sure head gasket and a snapped 7a cam.

              you can i expect nearly triple these costs nowadays. if you have good friends with tools and knowledge it will save you lots. if yoy tune yourself itll save a bit more. all i can say is haggle, buy well and when you get a good offer take it. for me rs2 is not good value. stock bits like ic and inlet seemed ok to 400 ish. fuel pump was good for just over 300. injectors the same.

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              • Chris5044
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Feb 2005
                • 1663
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                wow thats very cheap!! sweet!!! .. I already have 3inch exhaust yey.. and suspension h n r springs with bilstein shocks and porsche brakes done .. I might do arbs too.

                So £3635 for 500 hp!! wow ... hmm makes me think wether I should just go all out and try stroker .. for even more.. hmm just dont know atm... I could wait and upgrade. because the car is ready..

                Just the gear stick is very stiff. Will have to look into this to improve shifting.
                and perhaps lightening the vehicle..

                Originally posted by GazzaG60
                my 500hp was done for the following

                turbo brand new sc61 £550
                rods approx 180 scats new
                injectors 150 seimmens new
                wagner tubes - 350 new
                wagner rest - 1200 ish new ic, xmember, inlet
                block work 200
                7a cams £50
                arp bolts 100
                vems £650
                044 pump £55
                3" system 700
                thats cheap as im sure you will know. i made the most of exchange rates at the time about 5 yrs ago.

                then theres the rest for to handle it

                shocks - 120 a corner
                bushes etc ??
                brakes - 996 gt2 6pots £250, discs 115 each, pads 120

                i agree with prj its all in the tuning re rods. i had 2 issues along the way. cam sensor and possible but not sure head gasket and a snapped 7a cam.

                you can i expect nearly triple these costs nowadays. if you have good friends with tools and knowledge it will save you lots. if yoy tune yourself itll save a bit more. all i can say is haggle, buy well and when you get a good offer take it. for me rs2 is not good value. stock bits like ic and inlet seemed ok to 400 ish. fuel pump was good for just over 300. injectors the same.

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                • macspring
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 6371
                  • Home: Ireland Current: Wallis & Futuna

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Chris5044

                  So £3635 for 500 hp!! wow ... hmm makes me think wether I should just go all out and try stroker .. for even more.. hmm just dont know atm... I could wait and upgrade. because the car is ready..
                  Chris, a stroker is a huge undertaking in terms of knowledge, money, effort and future maintenance.

                  From reading your posts, your car may be ready for it but I don't believe you are. Not wanting to burst your bubble, but trying to save you from yourself.

                  These comments are meant as constructive rather than a cheap shot.





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                  • Chris5044
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 1663
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Dont think i like your reply... you dont know me. You dont know what i know. Or the studying ive done into these projects. Ive been away from the forum for awhile. I used to be a mechanic many years ago. You assume you know whats best for me.
                    Ill do what i wish to do thx.
                    I also dont jump into things straight off. Ill do a lot of thinking. Studying and research before i go ahead with something.
                    (My german half)
                    Ive got a lot of things to think about and consider if it would be feasable for my lifestyle and also and future plans.

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                    • Error404
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 19789
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      £3600 is ambitious for that power level I think, but you might get there if you're lucky. You will probably have to sacrifice response to save money, e.g. Cheaper turbo probably won't spool or have the boost response of a more expensive unit, you can keep the stock intake manifold it will do 500+, but longer intake track again means slower response. Likewise cheap intercoolers generally don't flow very well so can introduce pressure drop etc etc. it's doable, but ultimately will probably not be as drive able as if you'd given it both barrels, know what I mean?
                      All the small bits also add up fast, no ones mentioned them yet e.g. Hoses, turbo lines, oil cooler etc etc.
                      Be realistic about the cost before you start so there are no surprises. I am £5k deep and not finished yet! My 2c
                      Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                      Indigo ABY coupé
                      Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                      • macspring
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 6371
                        • Home: Ireland Current: Wallis & Futuna

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Chris5044
                        Don't think i like your reply... you don't know me. You don't know what I know. Or the studying i've done into these projects. I've been away from the forum for a while. I used to be a mechanic many years ago. You assume you know what's best for me.
                        I'll do what i wish to do thx.
                        I also don't jump into things straight off. I'll do a lot of thinking. Studying and research before I go ahead with something.
                        (My german half)
                        I've got a lot of things to think about and consider if it would be feasible for my lifestyle and also and future plans.
                        Comments noted, happy to retract my advices.

                        Best wishes with whichever route you decide on.







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                        • bartolomeus
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 1475
                          • Country: Romania

                          #27
                          Originally posted by sofronieva91
                          turbo 600 euro, injectors around 250, exhaust around 1000 euro, intercooler 400 euro, remap around 350 euro

                          Just wanted to make a little note,aby ic is good for 450 h, so for rs2 setup that is not needed.

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                          • bartolomeus
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 1475
                            • Country: Romania

                            #28
                            Originally posted by GazzaG60
                            my 500hp was done for the following

                            turbo brand new sc61 £550
                            rods approx 180 scats new
                            injectors 150 seimmens new
                            wagner tubes - 350 new
                            wagner rest - 1200 ish new ic, xmember, inlet
                            block work 200
                            7a cams £50
                            arp bolts 100
                            vems £650
                            044 pump £55
                            3" system 700
                            thats cheap as im sure you will know. i made the most of exchange rates at the time about 5 yrs ago.

                            then theres the rest for to handle it

                            shocks - 120 a corner
                            bushes etc ??
                            brakes - 996 gt2 6pots £250, discs 115 each, pads 120

                            i agree with prj its all in the tuning re rods. i had 2 issues along the way. cam sensor and possible but not sure head gasket and a snapped 7a cam.

                            you can i expect nearly triple these costs nowadays. if you have good friends with tools and knowledge it will save you lots. if yoy tune yourself itll save a bit more. all i can say is haggle, buy well and when you get a good offer take it. for me rs2 is not good value. stock bits like ic and inlet seemed ok to 400 ish. fuel pump was good for just over 300. injectors the same.
                            There are so many other expenses not written here...

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                            • GazzaG60
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 4133
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              what i bought you wont get now for that cost. id say its a 10k job now. i haven't even added in the coolers, defi gauges, eboost 2, vems egt/wb02.

                              i know my turbo is about 900 new now. rods about 350alex is right. dontr expect it to be cheap. im sure ive missed a fair few bits. things like better engine and gearbox mounts.

                              for me though id skip rs2. start with a wagner exhaust manifold and a turbo as good as you can afford, 044 pump and injectors. speccing the size of turbo is next and how its gonna be managed ie motronic or standalone. if its a stock motor and it all runs well maybe motronic. in thius case speak to prj regarding turbo types and maps he has done. it can save lots of money.

                              if you want a more unique project then do some research and pick parts that will work well together that you like. i wanted a tubular manifold, harder work, needs baracing crack more etc but thats what i wanted. the turbo i bought to run on a 16v originally in my corrado. the sc61 is a big laggy unit but on boost is an animal. i like it

                              think thats the main thing. make sure you like it and for me follwoing a generic route is no fun.

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                              • GazzaG60
                                S2Forum Freak
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 4133
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #30
                                list the other expenses? i have tried to add what i can i think it would help all round if you list them i will then say if i have of havent dont that.

                                remember my labour costs and tuning costs are basically a few maccies and a bit of mapping/helping others

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