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  • quattro-nick
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2012
    • 1746
    • Country: Belgium

    #1

    my twincharged project

    After many hours I finally can share my twincharged project with you!
    First I made some room in front
    then I made 2 supports for the sc and made some adaptions on the crossmember
    the sc is a 1420cc roots sc from a toyota previa with clutch
    afterwards I adjusted the crankshaft pulley
    the multi-v-drive is about 200 mm and comes from a american v8 engine
    on the picture you see from right to left,AAN pulley-kv pulley-v8 pulley
    I dismantled the compressor and cleaned everything + new oil in the sc
    i made a custom boostpipe with w/M injector in place,spray it with black paint and mount it on the sc
    time to place the sc on the engine for good
    for the bypass valve i choose for an electric throttlebody(70mm) from a vw 2.3 vr5 engine because you can open this on 2 ways,electric and by a cable
    made some adaptions on it and mounted on the boostpipe,now it can open electric and with a custom made waste gate valve from a diesel turbo
    then i made the second boostpipe
    made a total new frontplate on the crossmember
    because of the small room now on the left it was Necessary to place a new smaller oil cooler.
    time to place the front back together
    then it was time to adjust the steering pump
    i choose for an electric pump from a opel astra
    naturally i designed a custom support again
    When it was finished I started to place the W/M injection from AEM
    afterwards I finally can go test drive on the road and adjust the mapping along with the W/M injection.
    the clutch from the sc is activated between 900-4000 rpm,45%-100% throttlebody
    after 4000 rpm the turbo takes over
    Today I have been on the dyno with some good and bad results
    good:the car pulls very quickly
    bad: in some way i've lost some 73hp on the end
    in the past i made with turbo 520 hp and 636 nm torque and now twincharged 447 hp and 566 nm torque with the same dyno
    I do not know how it happens, all the values are good and I come smoothly on my turbo pressure (2bar)
    maybe restriction from the hoses and custom boostpipes?
    this I'm going to repair in the future
    and now some pictures,enjoy
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    Last edited by quattro-nick; 3 November 2015, 19:41.
    audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
    TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
    AEM W/M injection
  • quattro-nick
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2012
    • 1746
    • Country: Belgium

    #2
    more pictures
    Attached Files
    audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
    TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
    AEM W/M injection

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    • quattro-nick
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Sep 2012
      • 1746
      • Country: Belgium

      #3
      and more.........
      dyno day with a movielink
      if you see on the dyno sheet,the black lines are the results from turbo and the red one from sc and turbo
      you can see very good the difference
      also in the movie you can see a working bypass vlave
      the last picture is a drawing of the system

      link movie

      Attached Files
      audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
      TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
      AEM W/M injection

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      • quattro-nick
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Sep 2012
        • 1746
        • Country: Belgium

        #4
        if someone has an idea of my lost horsepower ,let me know
        audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
        TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
        AEM W/M injection

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        • AndyP
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Feb 2004
          • 6049
          • Country: England

          #5
          First of all, great job in getting it up and running

          Are you running the supercharger all the time or does it drop out once the turbo is boosting?
          sigpic
          1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
          1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
          1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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          • quattro-nick
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Sep 2012
            • 1746
            • Country: Belgium

            #6
            thanks
            and the answer for your question stands in the first post
            sc is activated between 900-4000 rpm and 45%-100% throttlebody
            audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
            TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
            AEM W/M injection

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            • AndyP
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Feb 2004
              • 6049
              • Country: England

              #7
              Sorry, missed that

              I was going to say it could be parasitic losses from running the supercharger.

              Only other thing I can think of is that this black pipe does not look great for flow, when the turbo is boosting you could be getting air fed back into the SC. I know you're tight for space but I'd try getting them to blend more smoothly rather that a 90° T joint.

              sigpic
              1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
              1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
              1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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              • AndyP
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Feb 2004
                • 6049
                • Country: England

                #8
                Have you got a photo of the dyno plot shown in the video?
                sigpic
                1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
                1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
                1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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                • Thuppu
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 4115
                  • Country: Finland

                  #9
                  Thats a lot of fabricating done there, great job! Was thinking when you will go public with this. How much boost does the SC make? Strange the power drop, are you sure the BOV stays closed on full boost?

                  Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                  Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                  BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                  BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                  • quattro-nick
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 1746
                    • Country: Belgium

                    #10
                    that was also my thought so in the future i was planning to build a second valve in the inlet tube from the sc so if the turbo takes over on 4000 rpm with open bypass valve at the top,i gonna close the inlet tube from the sc.than the turbo boost can flow straight in the intake without boost loss downstairs to the sc on the t-split

                    dyno sheet will follow tomorow
                    audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                    TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                    AEM W/M injection

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                    • AndyP
                      S2Forum Zealot
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 6049
                      • Country: England

                      #11
                      I thought mine was quite torquey at low revs, I have 275Nm at 2500rpm, you have 375Nm
                      sigpic
                      1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
                      1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
                      1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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                      • quattro-nick
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 1746
                        • Country: Belgium

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Thuppu
                        Thats a lot of fabricating done there, great job! Was thinking when you will go public with this. How much boost does the SC make? Strange the power drop, are you sure the BOV stays closed on full boost?
                        i think about 1.5 bar boost from sc,it's hard to say because turbo blows into supercharger
                        so absolute boostpressure is sc+turbo boost
                        when i take the hose off from the waste gate on throttlebody i can make 3 bar boost without problems ,has this once while mapping

                        and yes,bov is closed because turbo boost is pressent without problems and i've see it with my own eyes that the bov is closed on the dyno
                        audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                        TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                        AEM W/M injection

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                        • quattro-nick
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 1746
                          • Country: Belgium

                          #13
                          here you go andy
                          dyno sheet from today,second picture is from the past with only turbo
                          black lines are with turbo only and red with sc and turbo(dyno today)
                          pull in 4 gear
                          Attached Files
                          Last edited by quattro-nick; 3 November 2015, 20:59.
                          audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                          TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                          AEM W/M injection

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                          • Thuppu
                            S2Forum Freak
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 4115
                            • Country: Finland

                            #14
                            How is the IAT? Not bad I guess as you have the WMI..?

                            Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                            Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                            BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                            BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                            • quattro-nick
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 1746
                              • Country: Belgium

                              #15
                              there are 3 injectors in the set,300cc-500cc-1000cc
                              i've taken the 500cc.the little aem ecu is programmed like this:injection start at 8 psi and ends at 30 psi.
                              why 8 psi? because i have no cooling after sc
                              on full throttle i have about 20°c intake temp (inside the building from the tuner)
                              when i was driving to the tuner today i had about 5°c temp intake with w/m and cold weather outside
                              this W/M from aem is really great stuff
                              i have also a green led for system control
                              aem system number is 30-3300

                              audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                              TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                              AEM W/M injection

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