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  • 4WheelDrifter
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Oct 2004
    • 5773
    • Country: Devon

    #16
    Hope you didn't mind me butting in Doug. I knew you couldn't see behind the cam pulley bolt.
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    • Doug_RS2
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Jul 2003
      • 3847
      • Home: Scotland Current: England

      #17
      I have a spare sitting somewhere - just forgot!!
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      • newsh
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        • Aug 2003
        • 16226
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        The cams move 180 deg. for one revolution of the crank. (the crank sprocket has 1/2 the number of teeth, no? )
        Anyway a tooth would move the cam timing by a tooth, so 6.9 deg.
        An ABY could not be moved without messing with the hall sender timing.
        To play with cam timing you need special adjustable sprockets.

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        • rotoryboy
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          • May 2004
          • 3281
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Originally posted by newsh
          To play with cam timing you need special adjustable sprockets.
          Like the one sweeper is selling

          Mark

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          • RSCoupe
            S2Forum Enthusiast
            • Dec 2003
            • 120
            • Country: United States

            #20
            Originally posted by newsh
            To play with cam timing you need special adjustable sprockets.
            You can also get adjustable cam gears, to adjust intake cam seperate from the exhaust cam. The adjustable sprocket will adjust both cams in relation to the crank.
            Mark Siggelkow

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            • Audi_CQ
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Mar 2004
              • 940
              • Country: Norway

              #21
              Originally posted by RSCoupe
              You can also get adjustable cam gears, to adjust intake cam seperate from the exhaust cam. The adjustable sprocket will adjust both cams in relation to the crank.
              You still need the adjustable camwheel to adjust both cams. The camwheel adjust the exhaust cam and the camgears makes it possible to adjust intake separatly.

              Cheers,
              Roger

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              • RSCoupe
                S2Forum Enthusiast
                • Dec 2003
                • 120
                • Country: United States

                #22
                Originally posted by Audi_CQ
                You still need the adjustable camwheel to adjust both cams. The camwheel adjust the exhaust cam and the camgears makes it possible to adjust intake separatly.

                Cheers,
                Roger
                Yes, sorry, that is what I ment by sprocket (vs. gear).
                Mark Siggelkow

                '90 CQ 20vT - NASA GTS-5 (R.I.P.)
                '90 CQ-R - NASA GTS-4/5
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                '12 TT-RS (Wife's new DD, on order for May European delivery)
                '62 Porsche 356B (another race car)
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                • karlblues2
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 402
                  • Home: England Current: Australia

                  #23
                  Thanks guys
                  What does the adjustable sprocket cost? As all my marks line up, (although I'll have to wait to check the woodruff key) I am trying to get advice from Mihnea on adjusting the timing electronically with the remap, if that doesn't work out, I may try the adjustable sprocket, but I know that's playing with fire
                  Anyway, we'll see how it goes.
                  Cheers all
                  Karl
                  Oz
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                  • Doug_RS2
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                    • Jul 2003
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                    • Home: Scotland Current: England

                    #24
                    An adjustable sprocket is not going to help your off boost problem - as you might increase timing off-boost, but on-boost timing will change as well - and that is not good.

                    If you use your stock chips and stock injectors, is the boost coming in any lower?
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                    • Mihnea
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 1288
                      • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Karl, I think you are getting 2 things mixed up here: the ECU adjusts the ignition timing or ignition advance, and you are talking about adjusting the cam timing.

                      They are 2 totally different things and I wouldn't recommend you for anything in the world to change the cam timing mechanically!!!!!! At least not if I am not inside the car with my laptop controlling your ECU, it is not safe to do this sort of trial and error.

                      Karl, please check that your cam timing is in spec to start with, I do still have doubts about it, then afterwards we'll figure out where the problem is, but don't screw the cam timing with adjustable pulleys to try to get boost lower in the RPM range if there can be a mechanical fault that's causing this!!!

                      Thanks,

                      Mihnea
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                      • karlblues2
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                        • Jul 2004
                        • 402
                        • Home: England Current: Australia

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Mihnea
                        Karl, I think you are getting 2 things mixed up here: the ECU adjusts the ignition timing or ignition advance, and you are talking about adjusting the cam timing.

                        They are 2 totally different things and I wouldn't recommend you for anything in the world to change the cam timing mechanically!!!!!! At least not if I am not inside the car with my laptop controlling your ECU, it is not safe to do this sort of trial and error.

                        Karl, please check that your cam timing is in spec to start with, I do still have doubts about it, then afterwards we'll figure out where the problem is, but don't screw the cam timing with adjustable pulleys to try to get boost lower in the RPM range if there can be a mechanical fault that's causing this!!!

                        Thanks,

                        Mihnea
                        Good advice. Thanks guys....again
                        I will double check and let you know. It's pretty frustrating though. Can't you guys take a holiday in Oz and bring your laptops
                        ..........................Just a thought
                        Cheers
                        Karl
                        Oz
                        Oct 93 build MY 94 ABY Kingfisher Blue Audi S2 with MD147 turbo :mischeif:u SOLD
                        Audi 90 Quattro 20V 1989 7A
                        Audi TTRS 2010 APR stage 2 +
                        Triumph 675 Street Triple R

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