S2 exhaust vs. RS2 exhaust manifold

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  • Pisobiker
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2003
    • 1175
    • Country: Finland

    #16
    Rich, you're not considering the whole variables and theyr real influence.
    We might find some formulas to roughly figure out kinetic and pressure values (don't have them handy at the moment so might not be neither easy nor quick) but I don't think this will be helpfull.

    If your numbers where correct and doubling lenghts and volumes would only take 2mS this would mean the shorter layout will "respond" in a time about half that !!!!

    Which is of course not (we're talking at least about 10ths of seconds if not seconds at all) and should already give you a sign there is something wrong with it.
    From a "quality" point of view if you have 1 second lag at a given rpm and header layout, with a different one having about double the lenghts (and volume) you'll at least double the lag.

    This is of course partially connected also to the INLET part of the sistem, which has to be compressed using the exhaust energy through the turbine impeller and then the compressor impeller, so that if you slower the reaction of the turbine of a given percentage you slower of something about proportional the intake build up of boost.

    While lenghtening the runners you'll also loose some kinetic energy (which is the the most efficient energy transfer to the turbocharger) that will convert to heat than pressure than again to mechanical energy (loosing a lot of it through this passages).


    Then you're not considering another important phisical aspect:

    Pressure pulse travels at speed of sound BUT NOT THE CHARGE ITSELF (and to make an electric-electronic parrallel, it is just like ELECTROMAGNETICAL PULSE and REAL ELECTRON MOTION which is ~ speed of light vs. few cm per second);


    Marco
    Last edited by Pisobiker; 29 December 2003, 16:04.

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    • newsh
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Aug 2003
      • 16226
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      Or how about this analogy

      Put your ear to one side of an flat football and get someone to pump it up.

      You will hear them pumping instantly but the football will not be hard (20psi?) for several minutes.

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      • madmk4
        S2Forum Hobbyist
        • Jan 2004
        • 16

        #18
        Sorry to hijack the thread, but could anyone be so kind as to tell me the distance beetween the manifold to turbo studs please ?

        Center to center of course, length and width ways.

        Thanking you very much

        Trying to work a few things out here..

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        • 91_S2
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Jul 2003
          • 612

          #19
          Originally posted by newsh
          Or how about this analogy

          Put your ear to one side of an flat football and get someone to pump it up.

          You will hear them pumping instantly but the football will not be hard (20psi?) for several minutes.
          Hi Newsh,

          I was just going to let this die, but your analogy doesn't hold water. The best way to answer you is to analyze what Marco wrote.

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          • Pisobiker
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Jul 2003
            • 1175
            • Country: Finland

            #20
            Originally posted by madmk4
            Sorry to hijack the thread, but could anyone be so kind as to tell me the distance beetween the manifold to turbo studs please ?

            Center to center of course, length and width ways.

            Thanking you very much

            Trying to work a few things out here..

            I took some mesurements form the gaskets, a while ago.
            Don't know if they are good enaugh for you, but here they are:


            Marco
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            • madmk4
              S2Forum Hobbyist
              • Jan 2004
              • 16

              #21
              Marco, thats absolutly perfect ! Thank you very much indeed !

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