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  • Suspension top mounts

    Currently renewing my complete suspension setup.

    What make/brand top strut mounts do people reccomend?

    Also what make/brand droplinks and wishbones?

  • #2
    Strut mounts are dependant on how you like the car to feel. I have Albert's offset mounts and love them, some folk think they make the car feel a bit harsh. Certainly more precise and allow you to dial in more castor, especially if you use them in conjunction with the offset subframe mounts.
    https://www.verkline.com/shop/audi/s...h-12mm-offset/

    If not, go for a decent brand of standard mounts and get some mount saver inserts to make them last. Febi or similar.

    Droplinks: any decent brand

    Wishbone bushes: standard rubber or poly if you want more precise feel and don't mind the squeaking! Powerlex, supaflex, etc.
    Last edited by SteveH; 9th January 2020, 22:47.
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    • #3
      What do the strut saver inserts look like and where can i buy them?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by arranstone View Post
        What do the strut saver inserts look like and where can i buy them?
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        • #5
          I'd like to add that H&R makes some nifty camber bolts for the strut uprights.

          Could be a nice solution without having to sacrifice NVH using billet top mounts. Or combine both for that maximum attack on a track beast.

          Link:
          https://www.eurosportacc.com/product...er-bolts-tc117
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          • #6
            arranstone,

            From yesterday, here you go sir:

            https://www.s2forum.com/forum/techni...33#post2075433

            A quick overview re "Strut-Stops":

            http://www.classic-audi.co.uk/forum/...&postcount=635

            Clearly, you recognize that all mounts and bushings are not created equal. Please know also that both "Arm Stops" & "Strut-Stops" are really only made to work with particular dealer-sourced BOGE bushings and top-mounts; for good reasons. It will be necessary for folks to obtain these for themselves at their friendly local Audi dealer. If folks want to try them with something else, I'm sorry, I'd really rather not try to help them. Yes really. This is the only problem folks have had with these two widgets (I bring it up only because not following the simple product instructions begs the question: then why bother with them?). My aim with these two simple recipes is to make the (again particular BOGE) items they reinforce; last indefinitely. I'm really not sure how long indefinitely is yet, but to get there; I do know this - you've got to at least start with the right ingredients.

            Thank you newsh.

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            • #7
              Lago Blue I have sent you a PM

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              • #8
                Lago Blue

                When Mance was selling his MountSavers he said the requirement was either BOGE or Sachs. Are yours similarly compatible, or only BOGE?

                Thanks.
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                • #9
                  I have Mance MountSavers. Is there any upgrade for that?

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                  • #10
                    Dustin,

                    Yes, I do remember that too, he was actually a bit more specific than that, the problem is, just that bit is the thing most folks remember, if they remember even that or choose to abide by it. That part of what he said (and that I repeated years ago) may have been that back then, those two names possibly always got you the same part. Unfortunately, if given a choice today, as the stock BOGE dealer part is not sexy, and is perceived as being over-priced, and folks love to cross-reference and/or substitute, thinking they've got a bargain (when the real issue is they have no handy true indicator of quality or load capacity; only price) do I really want them to not pick the best mount?. If given that same choice today, folks can't but chose a lesser mount.

                    For the consumer, if not the dealer item, the what mount to choose "problem" is somewhat perplexing due to a number of factors beyond the shear number of choices available. One is what my fridge repair man calls "a product feature designed to create a service requirement" - all these mounts are designed to fail and un-aided; they all fail early. If one is hiring-out the replacement of their top-mounts, you should know more about our mounts than the garage, as they are not rewarded for getting you a more durable fix, particularly as that won't see you returning soon.

                    By my limiting Strut-Stops applicability, I better control the outcomes which I want to replicate the successes I've had.

                    Another fact that many Audi owners may not realize is that the reason there are so many inexpensive choices for top-mounts out there, is that stretching back decades and around the globe, there are millions and millions of other older lighter cars still out there (using a top-mount that "appears" interchangeable with ours) particularly on other continents where incomes are generally much less, which still today create product demand that producers are making mounts for (but whose load capacity is always way less than this one particular subject BOGE made but Audi dealer supplied item I keep pointing to), all of those cheap mounts need to be viewed as strictly for use on much lighter cars with smaller engines than ours, so know that if you're not picking this one it is likely as weak or weaker than the one you're removing. What that off-shore demand has done is absolutely flood the market with boat-loads of cheap and visually similar but inadequate for our needs mounts; because price rules.

                    So to answer your question, no, even if a well known brand, and just the name by itself is also insufficient, so not just any BOGE. Strut-Stops require strictly just one particular version of BOGE top-mount (see link to ad with the P/N above) and it's usually best had at the dealer. Some reasons below.

                    I don' t direct this at you Dustin (I know you know better) but to perhaps others reading here, the fact is unfortunately, just a particular favoured brand, colour, mount height or price point etc., that one may have chosen in the past likely won't get you a more durable result. None of those criteria is a particularly useful discriminator if one is seeking actual value, longer-term; and this contends that is precisely what one needs to look at. What are the mount characteristics that would deliver that?

                    Technically, here's what I want in a top-mount: near to stock, dead quiet, some comfort, a little bit of excess peak load capacity; and durability. That gets me value long term.

                    Speaking of longer term, for most of these companies, they need to keep making mounts, so the mounts therefore; need to keep failing. Readers may have noticed that despite the decades that have passed, and that these companies have had changes to their ownership and manufacturing locations, and could have changed the design, their materials and methods, but more durable mounts are not forthcoming.

                    I'll use Febi as an example here. Currently, they offer 3 versions of our top-mounts, different packaging and manufacturing locations for each. Two of them have Febi's name on them. The two newest versions are cheaper than their original(!), and Febi is just code for Bilstein who choose to not put their name front and center on them. What does that tell you? It tells me Bilstein sees the opportunity at the bottom of the market. Is that the mount you fit to perhaps the world's most exclusive and sporting station-wagon, or your coupe, sedan or what have you?

                    Happily, this particular BOGE hasn't changed much over the years either (save for price). It has always been available to everyone, it is very strong (relatively, and although un-aided it would still fail, when reinforced by Strut-Stops; it hasn't yet), and surprisingly it fits the Strut-Stops perfectly, and perhaps most importantly; makes what I provide look good.

                    Unfortunately, but perhaps understandably, most of us have an almost pathological revulsion to even setting foot on Audi dealer property, let alone ever buying anything from them. So folk's learned reflex is to revert to sourcing something they think is "good enough". Despite that mounts failing early is perhaps the most oft voiced complaint across all of Audi B2, 3 & 4-dom, what then usually happens? When a couple of dealer mounts might command 90€, and other similarly shaped round black objects can be had for 9€ a pair, one can pretty much guess which choice is made most of the time, the short view or the longer one.

                    Here's the thing, any fix that is going to last, absolutely requires a mount with a demonstrated record of strength and silence over time. Now there is a discriminator that one might more intelligently go shopping with.

                    Unlike tires, which carry similar loads to mounts and are mandated to also carry load-ratings on the sidewall, top-mount makers see no requirement to provide similar, lucky for them. Lacking load-ratings for top-mounts we might then opt to choose a mount that has some history of demonstrated capability. I humbly suggest that in that regard, the particular BOGE / Strut-Stops pairing I suggest; is years into it now, therefore worth considering.

                    Keeping in mind that, as this part fails so frequently, and gets so buried under a lot of necessary, time-consuming and expensive re-work just to get properly back on the road again, our aim here ought to be to align our choice of top-mount with our need to improve this situation, to make it simply stay fixed longer; and thus allow us to be able to forget about top-mounts for a very long time; and move on to other things. Down the road, any reasonable price differential paid up front to get a top-mount that will provide the preceding, fades to insignificance in the rear-view mirror of longer periods of steady undiminished top-mount performance, much longer service intervals; and the avoided future costs of same.
                    Last edited by Lago Blue; 20th January 2020, 16:29.

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                    • #11
                      DeS,

                      After the success of his Mount-Savers, Mance produced a modified BOGE top-mount based assembly he named Pro-Mounts that required his Mount-Savers and incorporated a spherical bearing in place of the usual ball bearing. It fitted with an adapter and special nut and was very well received. You can read more here:

                      https://www.s2forum.com/forum/techni...954#post657954

                      Mance also made several versions of his Mount-Savers. Yours are likely still working fine and you are happy with them, yes?

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                      • #12
                        Mance mount saver and pro mount was for sachs boge mounts.
                        Mount were like $25 each 2 years ago, I purchased 20 of them
                        Works very well ever since.
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