B3 Suspension mounts (Coupe)

[Rusty]

A few things to add/edit :-

• 034 do the Delrin wishbone bushes, I don't think they do 'density' as per the spreadsheet.
• 034 do offset subframe bushes in alloy
• 034 do density line arb bushes
• VAG do complete tie rods left and right for lefthand and righthand drive cars. ~ £80 & £90 + vat full price
• Whiteline do adjustable rear drop links, these would be a good thing to get if going to a FARB on the rear of a coupe
• Again, rear whisbone bushes are delring, not density or poly, I think you've mixed up wishbones and arb bushes
• There is the s2avant mk.1 Golf solid front snub mount option that should be added, I did a thread on it.
• Solid front alloy snub mounts did get made (by me), I'll see if I can get the drawings.

[S2central.net]

Wowzer - as I feared - even more expensive than the '100 each' ballpark figure I used for costing - ouch... No doubting the quality though.

I guess the next step down is 034 track density - I have seen some good reports on those. They wont' last forever like a promount, but must be a huge improvement over the factory mounts made from industrial playdoh.

[S2central.net]

A few things to add/edit :-

• 034 do the Delrin wishbone bushes, I don't think they do 'density' as per the spreadsheet.
• 034 do offset subframe bushes in alloy
• 034 do density line arb bushes
• VAG do complete tie rods left and right for lefthand and righthand drive cars. ~ £80 & £90 + vat full price
• Whiteline do adjustable rear drop links, these would be a good thing to get if going to a FARB on the rear of a coupe
• Again, rear whisbone bushes are delring, not density or poly, I think you've mixed up wishbones and arb bushes
• There is the s2avant mk.1 Golf solid front snub mount option that should be added, I did a thread on it.
• Solid front alloy snub mounts did get made (by me), I'll see if I can get the drawings.

Cheers for that - will do an update... i was a bit loose with my poly/derlrin/density terminology. Isn't 'delrin' just some trademarked version of polypropylene ?

I've used the term 'density' to indicate where buyers have a choice in stiffness - regardless of what the uprated material is.

[Rusty]

034 ones aren't bullet proof but they are better than stock.

$500 is about £300 + delivery, get a group buy on them

[Error404]

delrin is just the trade name of an acetal polymer

Can't believe the cost of the pro-mounts.. thats pure wallet rape.

[Rusty]

Small scale manufacture costs a lot I guess, they're no more costly than alloy ones and have a spherical bearing in as well. Just the OR mount must be about $30 of the $125 and that includes US shipping @ $8... They do seem a solid piece of kit and the lifetime warranty is there too, for what it's worth.

[Error404]

what i really want to know is do they improve the steering significantly enough to be worth the money ?

[Rusty]

It's more the fact that they don't degrade as quickly... I'll give verdict when the jobs are all finished and the car is sorted. HPMuirt liked them tho and he can handle a car so that's a starter for 10.

[lind4hl]

what i really want to know is do they improve the steering significantly enough to be worth the money ?

IMO they are not worth the money, you still have the same bad Caster, an 034 topmount is almost as good as the promounts for us daily-drivers..

also much less servicing in an 034 item or similar..

[Rusty]

Small scale manufacture costs a lot I guess, they're no more costly than alloy ones and have a spherical bearing in as well. Just the OR mount must be about $30 of the $125 and that includes US shipping @ $8... They do seem a solid piece of kit and the lifetime warranty is there too, for what it's worth.

[Lago Blue]

A mounting amount of mounts...

Mance also makes a very broad & supple snub mount of polyurethane that I use, both on my 20V & 12V.

Audi's own 'allroad' xmsn mounts work well, both there on the front (easy); and on the rear diff (more difficult).

I include the following not as criticism of your spreadsheet, just informational; and to declare my obvious bias:

It may be slightly misleading to describe the 'Pro-Mounts' strut-top mounts simply as 'alloy', as they are an OEM rubber mount that has been heat-cycled, re-bearinged with a teflon lined steel spherical, whose bore has been sleeved down with alloy, and whose remaining OEM bonded rubber/steel ringed construction is protected from vertical over-travel by polyurethane (Mount-Saver 1's) inserts, or poly & metal inserts (Mount-Saver 2's)

I'd hesitate to say fit & forget, only as I'm reminded how good they are, every time I drive the car.

I would challenge anyone who's driven on Pro-Mounts to prefer anything else afterwards, but that's just my opinion. "Do they improve the steering significantly enough to ..." Not by themselves alone, but when everything else is also good, yes. Just do it, at least on the front, and you can go simply Mount-Savers in OEM top-mount's on the rear for the budget conscious like myself. Best mod I've done, simple, not cheap but economical, and great steering feel. How much is that worth?

Great idea for an article by the way, thanks.

[S2central.net]

Thanks for clarifying and demystifying that one - I also had no idea what these 'mount savers' were all about.

I tried the allroad snub mount in the Golf bracket and couldn't get a nice fit. I ended up with a snub from B6 or B7 diesel of some flavour as obviously stiffer material than OE, but also a good fit in the Golf bracket.

[Rusty]

I'm getting the solid model of my solid alloy snub mount design

[GazzaG60]

you may find that $500 is more or less £500 now andy. getting a GB on these will be tough at the cost.

gotta agree with lago. i think they are worth buying for sure. theyre are a lot over the more normal mounts. but 2 years on and still good. lots of the more normal ones would have collapsed by now.

interested in the stubs though. im on a standard rubber door stop. what should be there?

[Rusty]

Current exchange is around 1.55-1.60 so $500 = £310-325 ish (round numbers).

It's what holds the snub mount, not the rubber

The Golf solution is really cheap and effective but I went one better.

This is what my solution looked like, the stylised shape and radii were a luxury of CNC machining, on a manually made part I'd remove all that (the prototype on my car is much simpler ) Some machinig is required for clearance on the aux. rad tho.:-