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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #1

    Stupid local mechanic - so called !

    Right I'm fuming at the moment... Left the hubs in with the local mechanic to change after he confirms that he has a press in the workshop. He asks for £40 - I say he's having a laugh and I'm not in a hurry. I say 20 - we agree on 30 and he'll have them done by 5:30pm. Duhhhh

    So I get there to find my box of hubs and parts not fitted - one side partially dismantled and the mechanic not there. I'm told to wait. In a couple of minutes, he comes out and tells me they are the wrong parts. Flabergasted I tell him that I have used the exact same setup before without problems at another garage (different S2 in England).

    He then proceeds to try and demonstrate the problem by offering up the new bearing to the inner/splined part of the hub that he removed and shows me that its far too big - the hub would just rattle around with so much clearance. While he's doing this he tells me he's been a mechanic for 30 yrs and they MUST be the wrong parts... And then he says the hubs are weird cos there is no circlip. I tell him thats correct - they are an interference fit. He goes quiet for a moment - that technical term clearly confused him.

    I take the bearing from him, turn it the other way and its clearly the right part when you offer it up to the hub. THEN he tells me that he didnt have the right sized press fitting to remove the outer piece from the hub carrier. Why not be honet and tell me that first instead of trying to make me look stupid about wrong parts.

    Further frustrated I pickup up the box o bits, walk out the door uttering the phrase "if you want something done, do it yourself"

    This is the only part of the suspension works that I offered anyone else and they phucked it up with a half-assed amateur effort. Pathetic. I'm going to call in another favour with a proper mechanic who I trust - I was hoping to not have to bother him with this as he helped me on other stuff a few times recently. He has a press and more than the required amount of brain cells to operate it.

    When I got home I see that he has somehow managed to leave part of the old bearing on the hub - pheck knows how I'm getting that off. I dread to think how he got it in that state - I never done them myself but I thought the hub would have pressed out cleanly in one operation, followed by another to remove the old bearing in one piece... He has somehow dismantled/broken the old bearing.

    Just the sort of old cadger that wants to rip you off and you cant rely on - what if I needed the car on the road tonight ?

    Pics to follow... When I've calmed down.

    Paul
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  • GT500
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jun 2006
    • 2181
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Yep,
    All goes to shiit when you need someone to do a job.

    The best way to remove the inner bearing off the hub is with a grinder. you don't need to go right through to hub, just grind off until it lets go with the interference fit pressure, slides off easy.

    HTH
    Rob..
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    • 4WheelDrifter
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Oct 2004
      • 5773
      • Country: Devon

      #3
      Use a hub puller to get the inner part of the bearing off.
      SS

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      • Cullam3n
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Aug 2007
        • 993
        • Home: United States Current: United Kingdom

        #4
        Didn't have the right piece to press the bearings out? What a crock of crap! I just used the inner cup of an old bearing to press mine out. I also used a 27mm? impact socket to press out the stub axle bit.

        Even though I managed to ****** mine this weekend putting it in (first time learning on the job) it's fairly simple, I can't quite fathom how a mechanic of 30 years can't press out and in a bearing.

        In all honesty the bearing doesn't even need that much pressure to fit in the hub. I've heard reports of people using a wooden block and a hammer to get them in (not that I recommend this!). I was using a 50T press and the majority of the time the gauge barely registered.

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        • S2central.net
          Retired OG Mod
          • Jul 2003
          • 16590
          • Country: Northern Ireland

          #5
          Pic of hub with remains of old bearing still attached... Would be a mighty neat puller to get in there. Don't really relish waving a grinder at it.


          Paul
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          • s20ale
            S2Forum Addict
            • Aug 2004
            • 476
            • Country: England

            #6
            Could try lot's of heat (blow torch) then try to pry inner race off and try not to burn ya self.
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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #7
              And the rest of the bearing is in here... Maybe pressing out the hub destroys the old bearing normally anyway, but thats not the point.

              Actually just checked the OFRM and it does show a Kukko 15-17mm separator to remove that ring. So thats some small bit of good news.

              Paul
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              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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              • Cullam3n
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Aug 2007
                • 993
                • Home: United States Current: United Kingdom

                #8
                Paul--

                In regards to the bearing, do you have large impact sockets? I think you can fit a 34mm on inner ring and hammer it out at home. Also if you have the other half of the race use the inner cup on that as a fitting.

                On the stub axle, I used a bearing holder that i fit underneath the race and pressed out the stub axle holding the bearing bit in place. I'm trying to think of a way to do it without a press or special tools. Shame you aren't near here I would have helped you out.

                If it's any consolation when I pressed out the hub it destroyed the bearing just like that.

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                • 4WheelDrifter
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 5773
                  • Country: Devon

                  #9
                  Paul, that looks normal to me. You have to destroy the bearing to remove it.

                  Also make sure that you fit the new bearing in the housing first, then support the inner part and press the hub in last. Also make sure you put it in the right way.
                  SS

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                  • Crawford_S2
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1555
                    • Home: Scotland Current: England

                    #10
                    I wouldn't mind betting your man has got that far with a lump hammer and socket, grinder is good for removing old bearings though, btdt. Once did spend the whole morning trying to fit new front bearings to my golf only to find that i had indeed been supplied the wrong part and the bearings i should have had were 1mm smaller, oh how i laughed walking to work the next day

                    Sorry to hear your tale of woe, guess its true what they say, "Women come and go but a good mechanic should be cherished and wooed"
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                    • Cullam3n
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 993
                      • Home: United States Current: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                      Also make sure that you fit the new bearing in the housing first, then support the inner part and press the hub in last. Also make sure you put it in the right way.
                      this is why I missed the pub natter

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                      • denniselbows
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 740
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        when pressing out the hub from the wheel bearing one of the inner rings will come out like you have got. same happened to me when i did myn a couple years back.only real way you will get that bit off is like gt500 said is by using a grinder. heating it up is not likely to work because all the heat will go into the hub and the bearing won't exspand.
                        getting the bearing out of the other part shouldn't be a problem. the bearing can be pressed out if the rest of the bearing falls apart leaving the outer ring. just run a line of weld all the way round the groove where the balls run and when it cools down the weld contracts and should fall out then
                        never set your expectations to high that way you are never disapointed

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                        • 4WheelDrifter
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 5773
                          • Country: Devon

                          #13
                          Sod the grinder, just do it properly and get a puller on there.
                          SS

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                          • urquattro-island
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 1915
                            • Home: Norway Current: Iceland

                            #14
                            hey

                            hope i can help a little, since i too work as a mechanic
                            the bearing goes in two pieces when pressing out the hub, what you can do with what is stuck on the hub is use two 10mm small a whats the name again, "pipesockets" (you know what i mean?) is that right, and two crow bars, and just "smack" it should go off. works a treat, use this trick a couple off times.
                            Sorry to hear about this, bad episode, but not all people are mechanics even though they have a paper that says so.
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                            • steve1234
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 205
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              removing inner bearing

                              why dont you use a dremel with a fine cutting wheel this way you will not damage the stub shaft just a suggestion

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