Solid front subframe mounts, The verdict !

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  • lind4hl
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jul 2008
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    • Country: Sweden

    #16
    no but the gearbox will come forward= you need to make new gearbox mounts

    One thing i've learned we are way behind the Scandinavians!

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    • rj scotty
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      • May 2006
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      #17
      Thinking back to the weekend when I had the sub frame off, at least one of the gearbox mounts (this bit that bolts to the gearbox not the bush that sits in the sub fame) had a slotted hole. Would this not allow the sub frame to move forward leaving the gear box in position ?

      Engine is not bolted to the sub frame so is unaffected.

      cheers

      rich
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      • anton
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        • Jan 2005
        • 802
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        Thats right rich, there are two holes in the offset bushes and the smaller offset ones can be fitted using the 'slack' in the stock mounts. the larger offset setting requires modification, or in my case the removal of the dual mass flywheel and using single mass and thus loosing the gearbox spacer (although my car never had those, the car i stole the gearbox off did)

        i recon i have gained between 50% and 80% more caster as a result but cannot be sure until i have it alighned again which may be a few months yet.

        Ant
        91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
        KW V2s and other goodies
        now gone
        03' BMW 330CI - Sold
        08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
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        • Jamo
          Retired OG Mod
          • Mar 2004
          • 21750
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Originally posted by anton
          Thats right rich, there are two holes in the offset bushes and the smaller offset ones can be fitted using the 'slack' in the stock mounts. the larger offset setting requires modification, or in my case the removal of the dual mass flywheel and using single mass and thus loosing the gearbox spacer (although my car never had those, the car i stole the gearbox off did)

          i recon i have gained between 50% and 80% more caster as a result but cannot be sure until i have it alighned again which may be a few months yet.

          Ant
          That doesn't make sense as the gearbox doesn't move when you go from dual to single mass, it's the engine that moves back on the slotted mounts btdt

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          • anton
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            • Jan 2005
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            #20
            Originally posted by Jamo
            That doesn't make sense as the gearbox doesn't move when you go from dual to single mass, it's the engine that moves back on the slotted mounts btdt
            same difference tho, engine moving back or gearbox moving forwards, just that the stock mounts cannot accomodate the larger of the two settings on the bushes without modification, this is just one possible modification that you can do

            Ant
            91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
            KW V2s and other goodies
            now gone
            03' BMW 330CI - Sold
            08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
            57' BMW 525d M Sport Touring

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            • Jamo
              Retired OG Mod
              • Mar 2004
              • 21750
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              Is it? gearbox is attached to prop so moving it is not good, the 034 stuff only needs to move the mounts due to subframe position not actually moving the gearbox position

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              • anton
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                • Jan 2005
                • 802
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                true, but your only talking a couple of mm, the prop can take that sort of movement, better that fabricating custom gearbox mounts IMHO. i think if we want to continue this we should start a new topic tho.....sorry for the hyjack.....

                Ant
                91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
                KW V2s and other goodies
                now gone
                03' BMW 330CI - Sold
                08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
                57' BMW 525d M Sport Touring

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                • rj scotty
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                  • May 2006
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                  #23
                  The slotted holes in the gearbox mounts allow the sub fame to move forward whilst the box and engine remain stationary.

                  Switching to single mass and removing the spacer is a different story the gearbox would go forward or the engine backward.

                  I agree with the Jamsta that the box going back cant in theory be good for the prop unless there is sufficient "give" in the prop.

                  Have I got this right ?

                  cheers

                  rich
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                  "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                  BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                  1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                  1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                  2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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                  • anton
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                    • Jan 2005
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                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    basically there are two degrees of 'offset' on the 034 bushes, the first setting is fine with no mods, the second setting needs modification, i happened to be doing a single mass flywheel at the same time and this offered sufficient 'modification' to allow the mounts to fit, the prop has sufficient play for this to work. although i was by no means sugesting that moving the gearbox is better in all senarios, if stock mounts are used then moving the engine back is better. this is just one possible modification that can be done in order to get the 034 'offset' mounts to fit.

                    Ant
                    91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
                    KW V2s and other goodies
                    now gone
                    03' BMW 330CI - Sold
                    08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
                    57' BMW 525d M Sport Touring

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                    • rj scotty
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                      • May 2006
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                      #25
                      Ok, just wondering now about offset mounts 50%/80% more caster would transform these cars

                      Another thing on the wish list :mischeif:

                      cheers

                      rich
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                      "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                      BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                      1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                      1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                      2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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                      • anton
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                        • Jan 2005
                        • 802
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        thats the paln although 50/80% is a VERY rough guess just from looking a the angle of the strut....

                        Ant
                        91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
                        KW V2s and other goodies
                        now gone
                        03' BMW 330CI - Sold
                        08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
                        57' BMW 525d M Sport Touring

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                        • stiglet
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 1264
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #27
                          There is plenty of give in the prop. Also BTDT.

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                          • newsh
                            S2Forum Obsessed
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 16226
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            Thats 5 or 8 degrees?? or really 50-80 percent more castor?

                            This is pretty interesting.

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                            • anton
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 802
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              well before i fittem them i never notices much camber gain on turning and caster by eye looked small, there is now a significant increase and i can see the camber gain when i turn the wheel, not merc levels or anything like that but there is more, stock on my car is about 1.5 degrees, at a total guess i would say it is around 2.2-2.8 degrees, my car is very low tho which will make a difference. i hear the stock S2 is 2.5 tho, not sure what the difference is......

                              Ant
                              91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
                              KW V2s and other goodies
                              now gone
                              03' BMW 330CI - Sold
                              08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
                              57' BMW 525d M Sport Touring

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