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  • Error404
    Super Moderator
    • Mar 2007
    • 19789
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Sport Steering Rack

    I got myself a nice package today from the US of A

    The long awaited return of my ABY rack, back from a specialist over there, freshly rebuilt and looking like new.





    "but Alex" I hear you cry, "you must be crazy to send your rack all the way to the US for a rebuild when there are loads of firms over here who offer that service, are you mental?"
    Well yes I am perhaps, but this is no ordinary rebuild, by no ordinary steering specialist.

    I spent countless hours researching how power racks work and what could be altered to improve the rack on our cars - to reduce the assistance and offer more feedback and road feel. It became something of an obsession for me. Sad I know.

    The rotary valve in the rack is what we are interested in here.
    In brief the rotary valve consists of 3 parts.
    1) The housing with fluid ports from the pump, to either side of the rack and back to the reservoir
    2) The rotating spool inside the housing which distributes fluid to the ports in the housing
    3) The core shaft
    The spool is locked to the output shaft, and the metering core is the input shaft. These input and output shafts are connected internally by a small torsion bar. With the output end restrained, the input end can be twisted a few degrees and the torsion
    bar will cause it to spring back to a centered position when released.
    Here is a useful image shamelessly stolen from Woodward Power Steering:



    The output shaft is restricted by the steering resistance of the wheels. the input shaft is twisted by the steering input. When deflected relative to the housing the spool determines the direction and rate of flow of the pressurised fluid. The stiffness of the torsion bar linking the input and output shafts determines the response curve of the rack - how easily it builds pressure in response to steering input. A weaker bar allows easier valve opening which generates a stronger response - a stronger bar resists valve opening generating a weaker response.

    "So what does all this waffle mean?" you ask.

    It means change the torsion bar in the rack to a stiffer bar and reduce the response to steering input AND vice versa, input from the other side of the system, force from the the road wheels is translated into steering feel in your hands by virtue of a reduced fluid damping in the rotary valve.

    Sounds too good to be true right? Well it almost is.
    I am pretty sure I found the only company in the world who have the know-how to retro-fit a stiffer torsion bar into a rack - because of the sensitivity of the spool in relation the housing, if the torsion bar is pinned to the spool or input shaft even 0.001" out of alignment you will have an imbalance in the steering assist. You need a custom made hydraulic alignment jig to do this, and then a computerised test-bed to check the rack after to make sure it offers even response.



    So have I actually had done?
    Rack stripped, inspected measured and tested.
    The original ZF torsion bar measured at 5.38mm. A new bar was machined at 6.15mm
    The ports in the rotary valve were modified slightly.
    A new seal kit was added
    The housing was bead blasted
    They even re-blacked the steel parts!

    So, will be fitting this soon. I don't think this has been done before, so stay tuned for an update
    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
    Indigo ABY coupé
    Imola B6 S4 Avant
  • Acidburn
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Jun 2007
    • 13459
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Was this from one of the racks I set you up mate? be interested to hear how you get on, whilst the engines out swapping it you might as well put that old 3b lump in.

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    • 4WheelDrifter
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Oct 2004
      • 5773
      • Country: Devon

      #3
      Nice one, Alex. That's commitment to the pursuit of obtaining better steering.
      It will be interesting to know what you think of the results when you test it on the car.
      SS

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      • K Simmonds
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Dec 2007
        • 7627
        • Country: Wales

        #4
        Very nice work, I'd be very curious to know how much (ish) that cost, PM if you want.


        I was wanting to get my ABY rack reconditioned professionally before I brave the installation onto my 3B, will probably combine the job with a clutch swap. However depending on price and how you get on with yours I'd be tempted to send mine off for the same treatment.


        By the way my daily driver Coupe is now dead proper and sat waiting to be scrapped soon, if you want to come and cut any panels out your welcome to do so.
        1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
        1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
        1994 MTM RS2.
        1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
        2000 B5 TQS.

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        • Rusty
          Super Moderator
          • Jun 2004
          • 18953
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Nice work
          Cheers'en, AndyC
          1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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          • caterpillar
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jun 2004
            • 2480

            #6
            and the cost of theeese?? and how many turns do you have with this, from right to left??or its some spec, like a orbital steeering

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            • Error404
              Super Moderator
              • Mar 2007
              • 19789
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              It owes me a LOT but if it works I will sort out a group buy, which will be loads cheaper as most of the cost has been the R&D and set-up. It is a normal 2.6 turns from an ABY/RS2. A qucker rack is possible
              Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
              Indigo ABY coupé
              Imola B6 S4 Avant

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              • pixsaudisex2
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Sep 2004
                • 3110

                #8

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                • mcandmar
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 5118
                  • Country: Ireland

                  #9
                  Your not messing about are you

                  Eagerly awaiting your verdict when you get it fitted, if it does all you hope for i have a brand new rack here that would be perfect for this modification
                  91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
                  93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
                  94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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                  • Mcstiff
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 504
                    • Country: United States

                    #10
                    In for more info!
                    1995 1PissedOff90sigpic1991 USDM CQ 7aT

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                    • Error404
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 19789
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Looking forward to getting it fitted, hopefully I'll get started on Monday. Going to give it go with the engine in situ, I guess we'll see how easy that isn't!

                      The way I look at it, lots of people splash the cash on big blowers, massive brakes and trick suspension, but really i think the steering is the weakest part of the car.
                      Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                      Indigo ABY coupé
                      Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                      • AndyP
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 6049
                        • Country: England

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Error404
                        LGoing to give it go with the engine in situ, I guess we'll see how easy that isn't!
                        Take lots of pics, and have the first aid kit ready
                        sigpic
                        1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
                        1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
                        1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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                        • Error404
                          Super Moderator
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 19789
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          haha, yes I think i might also string the punch bag up next to the car to avoid boot shaped dents in the panels
                          Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                          Indigo ABY coupé
                          Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            I love people who pioneer, well done A!

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                            • terrybullwon
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 8782
                              • Country: England

                              #15
                              Like
                              Chef

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