ideas dsg-box in urquattro

[prj]

I guess a torque based platform like Motec M1 could work with the right knowledge of the TCU’s CAN requirements?

Ecumaster has an experimental can stream for it, and while it sort of works it shifts like utter crap because there is no proper torque interface in the ECU for intervention, also the reported torque is all over the place, so clutch torque in DSG is totally wrong etc.
I mean you can do pretty much anything on new Motec, as you can essentially make your own firmware using their designer.
But I think just using a 07K ECU might be much easier... and cheaper, since it already comes with the engine and has native can stream, which the 0B5 should eat.

I am unsure whether the 0B5 has immo or not. The MQB DQ250 does.

There is a big difference using it for a drag race car on WOT only, or actually trying to drive with it.

[Error404]

I guess a torque based platform like Motec M1 could work with the right knowledge of the TCU’s CAN requirements?

[prj]

Mechanically doable in LHD configuration, moving to a conventionally mounted rack. I will do the metal work, Dmitri you figure out the software
Seriously though, why? These boxes weigh a **** ton and would ruin the character of the car. I would buy an RS3 it will be probably be cheaper too

If you make it fit in there somehow, I can make it run SW wise. Needs a 07K ECU and trigger setup. Maybe easier to use a 07K engine in the first place with it's ECU.
Though as you said, I don't see the point, the DL501 is quite heavy.

[prj]

The guy from Romania is not fictional. I'll dig the reference and name as I saw it on a group somewhere.

I'm not frightened by the space required as much as the electronics. It's way down in my busy schedule so dont expect me to waste time just to prove to you a point.

Also as I told you the POLO is also a true car done without the use of torque. I'll speak to the tuner who owns it for you. But I wont report back. I see no point

And I can see out of my ****. Thanks for confirming that you don't know anything.

[A80Avant]

Mechanically doable in LHD configuration, moving to a conventionally mounted rack. I will do the metal work, Dmitri you figure out the software
Seriously though, why? These boxes weigh a **** ton and would ruin the character of the car. I would buy an RS3 it will be probably be cheaper too

Costs about 85k in Greece after taxes so it's way cheaper to buy a DSG and have the work done if it proves doable.

[A80Avant]

I want to see that, I don't think it's possible. The engine would have to be in the cabin for that.
And if you made a huge spacer, the gearbox would probably not fit into the tunnel.
The angle is too big for a driveshaft to handle.

01E:


0B5:


Also, there is two way communication between ECU and Transmission, and TORQUE is one of the very few things that is needed lol.
You're so over your head, you have no idea...

So let's sort the mechanical issues first, the ECU side is doable by fitting a 2.5 I5 ME7 - tell me, even if you make a custom propshaft, custom driveshafts and custom adapter plate, which is all in all probably going to cost 5 figures - how are you gonna move the engine back like 15-20cm?

Would be good to have some hard facts not "I heard this, I heard that".

The guy from Romania is not fictional. I'll dig the reference and name as I saw it on a group somewhere.

I'm not frightened by the space required as much as the electronics. It's way down in my busy schedule so dont expect me to waste time just to prove to you a point.

Also as I told you the POLO is also a true car done without the use of torque. I'll speak to the tuner who owns it for you. But I wont report back. I see no point

[Error404]

Mechanically doable in LHD configuration, moving to a conventionally mounted rack. I will do the metal work, Dmitri you figure out the software
Seriously though, why? These boxes weigh a **** ton and would ruin the character of the car. I would buy an RS3 it will be probably be cheaper too

[prj]

I want to see that, I don't think it's possible. The engine would have to be in the cabin for that.
And if you made a huge spacer, the gearbox would probably not fit into the tunnel.
The angle is too big for a driveshaft to handle.

01E:


0B5:


Also, there is two way communication between ECU and Transmission, and TORQUE is one of the very few things that is needed lol.
You're so over your head, you have no idea...

So let's sort the mechanical issues first, the ECU side is doable by fitting a 2.5 I5 ME7 - tell me, even if you make a custom propshaft, custom driveshafts and custom adapter plate, which is all in all probably going to cost 5 figures - how are you gonna move the engine back like 15-20cm?

Would be good to have some hard facts not "I heard this, I heard that".

[A80Avant]

DQ500 was a reference to those saying that DSG gearboxes cant manage the torque. I know we need a longitudinal.

If cutting is needed so be it.

Otherwise I dont know, but from what I'm told the polo didn't need to have the torque input. Sorry I dont have the info yet but once I do I'll report.

Finally, as the 2.7tt guy did it, it's positive news

[prj]

Let's rain on your parade, here's some notes:
1. DQ500 is transverse, useless unless you want to mount the engine the other way around, which is impossible.
2. DL501, which is longtitudinal will never fit into the shell.
3. Aftermarket ECU's are a no-go. There is a fairly complex CAN matrix and ECU needs full torque management for shifts to happen. Forget it.

Your best bet is a sequential 01E.

[A80Avant]

In Greece there is a 20vt polo with a retrofitted DSG gearbox and about 900hp. Apparently DQ500 boxes can handle 1000Nm of torque and lots of power.

after discussion with a close friend of mine whose brother is the owner of the polo, we think the box could be used. The DSG needs to read LOAD, ( present in the OEM ECU) , torque( but not needed), and throttle opening can be wired through the ECU as well. Given that aftermarket ECUs can have that data, another extra module might be needed for information that the DSG needs 'translated'. Box needs to come from any newer Audi with a longitudinal engine. Another issue is the final drive, esp if you get a box from a diesel engined car, etc.

we are going to look more into this, as if the budget is similar to a sequential box, or less even, then the DSG is a better option IMO as in the Drive mode it becomes a very nice daily, while on manual is dead quicker than anything else. I'll let you know as I learn more.

by the way I have seen a 2.7tt s4 with a dsg retrofitted on Facebook from Romania so if he did it, then it is doable

[Billman]

Is it possible to implement something like this with up/down on the 01E?

[speeding-g60]

more info please on the electrohydro shifter please?

[4WheelDrifter]

That is mounted on a Lupo3L also.I have one in my garage and the car stops randomly(when getting to Drive position,or R,or when it changes gears).Do you know the vag com procedure of reseting the system,clutch position learning etc?

Thank you

Edit:
How fast can that system change gears?

Yes. PM sent.

Billman, it's on a Lupo3L, the system is made by Hilite.

[Billman]

Or electrohydraulic shift contolled by solenoids. This is what I have on one of my cars. It can be used like a sequential box, but with a normal H pattern manual gearbox. I have thought about rigging up steering wheel buttons, but a stick for + and - is easy enough.

Here is the complete system, apart from the ECU of course.



I believe the Ferrari F360 uses a similar system. In fact I'm pretty sure the accumulator had the same part number when I was looking for one.

On what car do you have this?