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  • Mark Halligan
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jul 2003
    • 2001
    • Country: England

    #76
    OK I found the job sheet for the latest pistons, all the same other than the fact that each piston lost a further 2gms due to the custom machining options.
    Attached Files
    Mark - Modded

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    • Billman
      S2Forum Freak
      • Nov 2004
      • 4129

      #77
      Sorry btu i dont get it right what are the positive or negative effects about Lateral gas ports?

      What other specs-coatings should the pistons have? My goal is a reliable piston that maybe would not be the best thing but also dont have any thoughts about coatings going bad.

      Can you give me some advice here?

      I am going for Diesel Block and crank and 158mm 23mm rods.
      Go Holset or Go RS4

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      • Mark Halligan
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jul 2003
        • 2001
        • Country: England

        #78
        Originally posted by Billman
        Sorry btu i dont get it right what are the positive or negative effects about Lateral gas ports?

        What other specs-coatings should the pistons have? My goal is a reliable piston that maybe would not be the best thing but also dont have any thoughts about coatings going bad.

        Can you give me some advice here?

        I am going for Diesel Block and crank and 158mm 23mm rods.
        Gas ports allow combustion pressure to get behind the top compression ring and force the ring out against the bore wall resulting in better ring seal on the compression / power strokes. This gas pressure still gets behind the ring to a lesser degree with normal pistons but the gas ports allow more pressure to get behind the ring and give a more aggressive seal, the down side of this though is accelerated ring and bore wear, (not something I was particularly concerned about with this build).

        Piston gas ports come in two flavours vertical or lateral, vertical are used in drag race applications as these engines are usually rebuilt often and carbon doesn't get a chance to block the ports significantly between builds. Lateral ports are usually used in circle track motors.

        I am experimenting in using these and so far I am happy with them, although to be fair my lack of time and progress with other areas of the car have prevented me from really giving them some stick.......so far.

        Edit
        Here is something cut and pasted from the Wiseco site:

        Vertical gas ports are primarily used in drag race applications. Lateral gas ports are more often used in circle-track and road-race applications where carbon build up can occur. When gas ports are used, pressure is directed to build up behind the compression ring and seal it against the cylinder wall. This helps prevent ring flutter and extends the power curve upward in the RPM range. Vertical gas ports have the holes drilled from the deck of the piston into the top ring groove and behind the ring. Lateral gas ports are drilled through the bottom side of the top land and extend to the back wall of the ring groove.


        And something from JE showing them with other custom piston machining options

        http://www.racetep.com/carpics/jeoptions.jpg

        HTH cheers

        P.S.

        My pistons are not coated
        Mark - Modded

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        • S2central.net
          Retired OG Mod
          • Jul 2003
          • 16590
          • Country: Northern Ireland

          #79
          @MArk - you know too much !

          SO jealous of that build of yours - but I'm so glad you are blazing a derisked trail for others less brave to follow. Brilliant thread this.


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          • prosty
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Jun 2005
            • 1114
            • Country: Sweden

            #80
            Absolutely awesome project! I wish I had the energy to take this many photographs each time I rebuild an engine. Really good work!!
            2004 9-5 aero
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            • caterpillar
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Jun 2004
              • 2480

              #81
              what price does one set of 5 of JE custom order go on??? 1500$ or less??? more??

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              • Jay
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Jul 2004
                • 599

                #82
                Approx 1500 US$, depends on spec (that would be nearly all boxs ticked regards extras, funny how i know this:mischeif: )

                Give Aelred a shout as he is puttng in an order so may be get a bit of discount

                Jay

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #83
                  You can get a set of Wiseco for $800 and you can get a set of 034 JE for $900

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                  • caterpillar
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 2480

                    #84
                    034 or other DOES NOT have the right piston spec, have a custom crank, and custom conrod...... and a diesel 2,5tdi block,so it has to be custom pistons too....

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                    • Jamo
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 21750
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #85
                      Originally posted by caterpillar
                      034 or other DOES NOT have the right piston spec, have a custom crank, and custom conrod...... and a diesel 2,5tdi block,so it has to be custom pistons too....
                      Erm email them, Javad does them to any spec but they have a 3 week lead time.

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                      • S4quattro
                        S2Forum Tinkerer
                        • May 2005
                        • 7
                        • Country: Norway

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Mark Halligan
                        I'd like to know how S4quattro got on with his problem too.
                        Sorry for late reply..

                        My problem with the engine had nothing too with the TS pistonrings. The pistons was totaly destoyed by knock and detonations.
                        So it was my own fault the engine "died", trying too run it on a map that wasent suited for that engine. Had MTM 420 map and fuel delivery , but that wasent good enough.

                        I took me almost 10 months too get new pistons, so in the meanwhile i run the car with the "standard" MTM 420 kit that the car had from new.
                        Will try too rebuild that engine again (2,5L project) this winter.

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                        • lini
                          S2Forum Enthusiast
                          • May 2007
                          • 159
                          • Country: Slovenia

                          #87
                          What is the purpose of the main bearing gridle? Beginer kill me!
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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Mark Halligan
                            Thanks

                            Good point - I forgot to mention that the subframe needed modding to clear the sump which is 10mm lower, I did this a long time ago when I knew I would probably use the girdle. Modding the sump is another option too.

                            Reason for the Zetec headstuds is for the extra length needed with the girdle.

                            Paint is Blue smooth Hammerite

                            Cheers
                            Hey Mark, Could you tell me how did you modded the subframe to sit 10mm lower please?

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                            • Mark Halligan
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 2001
                              • Country: England

                              #89
                              I cut out the the top half of the subframe centre piece that sit runs (east/west) under the sump and welded in a new piece that gave the clearance I needed.
                              Mark - Modded

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                              • Rocco
                                S2Forum Zealot
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 6393
                                • Country: Spain

                                #90
                                Mark thank you for all the info and your great knowledge

                                very interesting your thread
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