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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #1

    Machine Head Project

    Preamble:

    Firstly - No jokes about smoke on the water please That bands best album is actually 'In Rock' but lets not digress before the thread has even started.... Jees

    Right - I aquired a lil 7A head complete with cams as a winter project. The objective to try my hand at some port grinding and whatever other machine operations are required to bring the head up to ABY/ADU spec. My intent is to get the head cleaned up then flowbenched to quantify its performance before I do anything to it... Then I'll bench it again after the portwork is complete and I just hope for some mild gains in flow - I'm going to be quite conservative with this as I dont want to trash the head with ill thought use of a die-grinder.

    Due to the scarey amount of funds and time required to do this job properly its going to take along time, but as I'm not in a rush I thought it useful to document the procedure here for posterity.

    I'll insert photos when I have more time. Got them here somewhere...

    Part 1

    When it arrived, on 1st quick inspection all seemed well with no cracks in the obvious places and no signs of wear on the camshafts. I had been told that some valves were bent and sure enough there looked like two or three slightly bendy inlet valves - typical as I was hoping to resuse the inlet valves from 7A as they are common with ABY.

    I lined up an old S2 EM to verify that I didn't need any new exhaust studs in the head - apparently some 7A heads need this, some don't - dunno why !


    Part 2

    Had a closer look the following day to work out how to align the camshafts for bearing removal as per the book as I don't have the cam pulley fitted... Doing it in the wrong order can put the cams under undue strain. Thankfully, the OFRM tells me that the camshaft gears have two little marks that align at TDC.

    This would have allowed me to remove the camshafts as per the OFRM - which I'll summarise here later when I look at it again to remind me... BUT cos of the bent valves there was no way to hand crank it round to the correct position - I had to adapt the OFRM procedure so as to gradually remove the inlet cam bearings in such a way as to minimise stress on the cam. Once the inlet cam was out I could crank the EX cam round to TDC and do it by the book.

    During this I noticed that the inlet cam bearing nearest the timing end was slightly damaged - looks for all the world like postie dropped the head on its end (or it got doushed in a van somewhere) - one of the studs is slightly bent (easy to change) but the bearing is going to have be TIG welded and redrilled or somthing as these shells are line drilled on the head in the factory and cannot be replaced individually.

    Bit annoying but not a showstopper.

    All of the cam bearing shells were visually inspected and tucked away in labelled boxes for safe keeping. They are numbered which makes life easy - and keyed to only refit the correct way round.


    Part 3

    The work started in earnest tonight when I started stripping the valvegear. Diesel Des kindly offered me the loan of his funky valve spring compressor until I remembered how I modified mine in the past with a 22mm 1/2" socket and some insulating tape to get me thru this phase. It required some care to extract the collets in this way - several attempts on some valves, lots of patience and plenty of foul language.

    All the exhaust valves out easy enough - bagged and tagged with all springs, retainers and whatnot in Tescos finest small ziplock bags. Haven't told 'er indoors yet that I used the last one but hey

    TOPTIP #1 - getting the bottom valve spring seat out of an oily head is a PITA, as they just wanna stick there - even upside down sometimes, unless you use one of those magnetic tipped pickup tools to lift them past the valve stem oil seal (VSOS) - neato !

    The good inlet valves also came out easy enough... So did the less bent one, but the two heavily bent ones in cylinder #4 are a real sod to shift - not helped by my makeshift tool. Care is required so as not to force the bent valve into the head in such a way that it might damage the surface of the valve seat. I'll have to wait until Des drops by with the proper tool to give me more access.

    This really needs photos to do it justice... I'll do my best to revisit this ASAP with the images from the phone.

    I verified that my valves are correct parts for the 7A head - you can just make out part numbers at the top of the valve. I have 10 perfectly good NON sodium filled EX valves which have no use for me. They are actually marked 027 611D which misses the middle three digits from the part number - I need 027 109 611B of course to get zee all important Sodium filling.

    I'm unsure whether to reuse the valve springs, retainers and such - I'm torn as I don't want to spend a fortune just for sake of it, but I would like something higher spec or just plain new with things like engine internals. No sweat yet as there is no point in paying for exotic valvegear if my headwork is not that good.

    The cost of sourcing new lifters, valve guides and valves x 20 is scarey enough, plus covers, nuts, bolts, studs the machine work and coilpaks to complete the build up I did a quick tot up at list price for entirely new parts right across the head and it was in the region of £2k so forget that idea ! This project aint on that budget...

    Paul
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  • s2_bo
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Oct 2005
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    #2
    Sounds good Paul.

    I have a head to rebuild here too so will follow this thread with a close eye for hints and tips.

    91 S2 coupé - RIP
    98 S8 - Luxury barge

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #3
      Here goes with the 1st series of pics to back up the 1st chapter - sorry it was such a wordy affair. 1st pic is of the head when I unpacked it.
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      • S2central.net
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        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        That was a view from the inlet side on - this one shows EX side.... I forgot to mention that I had to remove the remaining EM studs - easy with two M8 nuts and two 13mm spanners - even the bendy ones.
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        • S2central.net
          Retired OG Mod
          • Jul 2003
          • 16590
          • Country: Northern Ireland

          #5
          View from the top (if you are a piston) - all cyls about the same colour - reasonable amount of coke deposits but not bad. I'll not be reusing any valves. Just keeping the good inlets as spares I guess.
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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #6
            View from timing end - havent deciphered the stamp marks yet for manufacturing date... And I have still no idea how much pain/complexity is required to machine this area for the hall sender (CMP). I'm pretty sure that I'll sub that task out to an expert.
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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #7
              CLoser shot of condition of cams and valve gear - pretty nice actually - there is some dirt making them look worse in this pic than reality. And when I saw the lifters after removing the cams I was amazed how little wear was apparent. AMazing !
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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #8
                Next up, a view of inlet port at #5 before any work... That big hole at the end of the head is for the 7A/RR/3B dizzy of course, but there's a plug and seal on the ABY parts list to bung it up nicely. The IN ports show lots of casting marks and imperfections so there seems to be some room for improvement OK without any drastic measures.
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                • S2central.net
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 16590
                  • Country: Northern Ireland

                  #9
                  Hard to really see it here, but thats the two bent IN valves at #4 on the left side of photo. The far edge of valve is just resting on edge of valve seat, so I'm praying there is no deep damage (that a valve seat recut will not repair).
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                  • S2central.net
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 16590
                    • Country: Northern Ireland

                    #10
                    Next, look at the alignment of the outermost cam bearing on the IN side - the one nearest the view in this pic - the nearest stud is bent slightly towards the pulley
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                    • S2central.net
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 16590
                      • Country: Northern Ireland

                      #11
                      Removal of the nut confirms my fears that head must have got a whack on this corner - no other damage apparent. YOu can just see the lil split in the bearing shell where the bent stud has stressed it.
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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #12
                        A few photos to cover Part 2 for the camshaft removal - Actually I staged this one after all the caps were out.... All that oil isn't nice on the camera/phone.

                        NOTE that the correct way to do this is to have the cams lined up at TDC (On the pulley mark) or with the timing chain gears aligned such that their dots line up in the centre. Thought I had a photo of that but no...

                        WIth #1 on the left you will see that EX side caps are numbered 1 thru 5 from left to right and IN side caps are 6 thru 10 from left to right.

                        The correct way to remove the EX cam bearing caps (when at TDC) is -
                        - Remove the outermost cap (not numbered) in front of chain
                        - Remove caps 2 and 4
                        - Remove caps 1, 3 and 5 gradually and alternately in diagonal sequence

                        The method for IN valves is same flavour (at TDC) -
                        - Remove the outermost cap (not numbered) in front of chain
                        - Remove caps 7 and 9
                        - Remove caps 6, 8 and 10 gradually and alternately in diagonal sequence

                        Refitting is removal of that sequence and whilst the declared torque setting on these nuts is only 15Nm they all seemed to feel a lot tighter than I expected.
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                        • S2central.net
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 16590
                          • Country: Northern Ireland

                          #13
                          Tell a lie - here is a pic showing how the timing gears align - zee lil marks towards the centre on the gears - this is TDC.
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                          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                          • S2central.net
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 16590
                            • Country: Northern Ireland

                            #14
                            While I remember - it might seem odd to be doing this on a Black & Decker workbench - as opposed to a big old bench, but this is a lesson I learnt years ago building engines as the workbench, when opened up to its largest gap is a godsend when removing and fitting valves as you can access all areas when that clumsy big valve spring compressor is in place.
                            Paul Nugent
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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #15
                              I had to apply a few taps of a light hammer to release some of the valve collets, and because I had no access to them with my taped up tool I had to have the head upside down on the bench to get the valves out... Couldn't have done it on a flat bench.

                              Paul
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