3b s2 coupe resurrection

[bunyoch]

Aye jist anithir couple o wee drip feeds tae the Braw Beastie !

[K Simmonds]

Oh and billet k26 is ordered, 400bhp+ here we come

One of Albert's? I'm still tempted by one of those, the only thing that puts me off is not being able use the stock MAF hose, well actually I'm guessing that's the case as the compressor inlet looks a fair bit bigger than stock. I like the fact that the RS2 set up looks OE and bolts together easily.

It's a pity that VES don't map Motronic anymore what with them being local to you, are considering going VEMS from Danny over sticking with Motronic and using Automark?

[martinws]

I called VES Sport today, they are no longer mapping S2s on motronic due emulator hassles. He said he prefers to map on stand alone with heavily modded S2s as there is better resolution.

I called Mark at Automark, he was most helpful, he will map 3B or ABY, he has done up to 700bhp on the dizzy, but says cop is better. He will use mechanical boost or electronic boost controller. If going COP he advised using new standard S2 coils as they will do another 100k. If using TFSI coils he does not adjust the dwell. Stock MAF is to be on the pressure side between the intercooler and the intake manifold.

Ordered a downpipe from Danny at DNA, he does VEMS ecus and maps them.

Thats a bit of a ******, What was him emulator issue? Cheaper us buying an emulator between us and getting them to map both cars than travelling and paying for map?

I have been thinking of vems for a while and also OMEX 710 as Alan at AVA uses OMEX alot although has never done a 5 pot, he could be very useful plus my unit next door if any issues.

[andy10v]

Aye jist anithir couple o wee drip feeds tae the Braw Beastie !

Drip feed! Its gettin fed buckets!

And it generally requires a blood sacrifice every time you work on it

[andy10v]

One of Albert's? I'm still tempted by one of those, the only thing that puts me off is not being able use the stock MAF hose, well actually I'm guessing that's the case as the compressor inlet looks a fair bit bigger than stock. I like the fact that the RS2 set up looks OE and bolts together easily.

It's a pity that VES don't map Motronic anymore what with them being local to you, are considering going VEMS from Danny over sticking with Motronic and using Automark?

Yup, one of Albert's turbos. No idea on the intake, if so I have a large cobra head hose, or will just use a silicone 180 and punch a hole into the inner wing or build an air box. I need to pop the wing off but think you might be able to make a nice airbox for a cone between the inner wing and outer if you made a floor for it.

Yeah, it would have been perfect as they are only 20 minutes away.

I was thinking about it, but you need to buy VEMS, then get it tuned, so it cost the same as a motronic live map + vems ecu. I am not a tuner so the ability to re tune if something was changed is limited, though I could use "any" local tuner rather than a motronic specialist.

I am just going to get Mark to do it and be done with engine mods after this (if I end up building a stroker next year I will be kicking myself )

[andy10v]

Thats a bit of a ******, What was him emulator issue? Cheaper us buying an emulator between us and getting them to map both cars than travelling and paying for map?

I have been thinking of vems for a while and also OMEX 710 as Alan at AVA uses OMEX alot although has never done a 5 pot, he could be very useful plus my unit next door if any issues.

Problems getting parts with the emulator, there are always issues when mapping.

I suspect like most tuners they are not that interested in wasting time messing about with old crap/eproms etc when you could be flashing.

VES said vems, emerald, omex, any good standalone ecu, better tuning, easier to re tune after any mods.

[K Simmonds]

Thought it would be one of Albert's, the performance looks really impressive and being a K26 they should be tough as old boots. I'll be very interested to see how you get on with yours, I may still take the plunge myself even though I'm happy with my current set up.

I reckon there's enough space between the wings for a custom airbox, I did think about doing that myself when I had a cone filter fitted.

Hmm, that's got me thinking I could sell my RS2 airbox if I did that.

Yep, VEMS is only appealing if your can map it yourself, I don't have either the IT or tuning know how to even make a start, guess it's just a case of learning but the cost if you make a mistake could be silly

[andy10v]

Thought it would be one of Albert's, the performance looks really impressive and being a K26 they should be tough as old boots. I'll be very interested to see how you get on with yours, I may still take the plunge myself even though I'm happy with my current set up.

I reckon there's enough space between the wings for a custom airbox, I did think about doing that myself when I had a cone filter fitted.

Hmm, that's got me thinking I could sell my RS2 airbox if I did that.

Yep, VEMS is only appealing if your can map it yourself, I don't have either the IT or tuning know how to even make a start, guess it's just a case of learning but the cost if you make a mistake could be silly

Yup, I dont want a garret with amazing spool ******** itself every other year. They also dont deal well with over spinning (eg pop a boost hose etc)

My current set up is great, but I want it mapped so its "free" (man maths, buy the billet k26 and sell the rs2). More powah is always better

I dont have time for another hobby, I want to fit the bits and wail on the car, not tune it. Also as you say it would be easy to ruin it all.

[quattro-nick]

i use also vems,bought a plug&play kit from efi express with wideband, egt sensor and vems round wideband gauge,cool stuff
this is the first time I've programmed a standalone ECU in my car
the ECU was provided with a program that the engine could be started with
the rest i programmed myself,i just try a few things(with my own knowledge) and see what the results ware
it is provided with a "LIVE VE ANALYSER", this is a self-learning program for you ve table,very easy to use
you also find enough support on the internet or forums
i have no experience with other standalone ecu"s


http://www.efiexpress.com/catalog/

[andy10v]

Thanks Nick, but I dont have the time to learn VEMS, though it is tempting.

I emailed Mark my spec list for him to look over last night and he called to discuss today. If I want a hassle free mapping session he said to fit the ABY ECU setup and there is no potential for lead breakdown, spark hop etc. Also to get an eboost street for boost control.

So I need
ABY ECU
coils
coil loom
ABY cam cover

eboost street

[Wizard-of-OD]

Also to get an eboost street for boost control.

And wideband!

ST3402 available in white face. Looks almost the same as a VDO unit from Audi!
Too bad VDO don't make a wideband guage.

http://www.stackltd.com/instruments.html

[andy10v]

And wideband!

ST3402 available in white face. Looks almost the same as a VDO unit from Audi!
Too bad VDO don't make a wideband guage.

http://www.stackltd.com/instruments.html

Wideband was installed a couple of months ago (AEM), boost guage is Rusty's stock look gauge, EGT is an ebay special

[andy10v]

I have never done a clutch with the engine in, I assume it should go

unbolt;
downpipe
prop
driveshafts
gear linkage
procon 10 cables (going to be a PITA?)
clutch slave
gearbox mounts

and pop the gearbox out

Any tips or suggestions?

[quattro-nick]

Remove the tie rods on the steering gear to make more room

[andy10v]

Cool, thanks.

Got a bit of stuff organised/ordered.

RS2d ABY ecu organised (thanks to spink)
COP 3b conversion loom organised (thanks to error404)
Metal maf tube organised (thanks to tomwood_uk)
SRE clutch ordered

Current plan is

ABY ecu conversion with coils
check everything works

Fit wagner intake manifold
remove gearbox
remove downpipe
fit new turbo
fit clutch
refit gearbox
make new downpipe
fit exhaust
fit pressure side maf
fit eboost

check car runs on low boost

drive to Automark, fit 440 injectors

Live map

Any suggestions/flaws in my cunning plan?