Launch control for Motronic

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  • Acidburn
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Jun 2007
    • 13459
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #76
    Originally posted by S2central.net
    BTW - have you actually tried to fit B5 stalk onto B3/B4 yet ?
    If I get a chance i'll try this as I have a few stalks laying around

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    • Zoig
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Sep 2008
      • 555
      • Country: Estonia

      #77
      Originally posted by Acidburn
      If I get a chance i'll try this as I have a few stalks laying around
      Could you also post measurements from the intermittent switch (min-max value of the rheostat, how many steps and what increments they are at).

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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #78
        Adjustments will be 1800 to 7200 rpm in increments of 36 rpm.
        We will be testing it with Paul shortly.
        http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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        • s2_wot
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Aug 2006
          • 2178

          #79
          Funk switch + dash light dimmer switch lads located over the radio?

          Great work I feel the need to burst a clutch / gearbox / driveshaft soon. Combined with the FFS this would help the old girl shift fairly well.

          Want!
          Shane

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          • Billman
            S2Forum Freak
            • Nov 2004
            • 4129

            #80
            Originally posted by prj
            Adjustments will be 1800 to 7200 rpm in increments of 36 rpm.
            We will be testing it with Paul shortly.
            You and Paul should let this launch control thing and get on with the daughter board stuff. That way one can set RPM limits etc. on his own plus it's gonna give you more moneay :-)
            Go Holset or Go RS4

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            • prj
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Mar 2010
              • 6308
              • Country: Estonia

              #81
              I don't think the daughter board is worth it money wise.
              I doubt many people will buy it.

              The thing is, the ability to tune is just half the problem. The other problem is knowing how to tune, and that doesn't come over night.
              Just because you can adjust maps in Motronic or in VEMS does not make you a tuner.
              And it will be much easier to let a tuner tune VEMS, since more people are familiar with it and speed density...
              Last edited by prj; 25 March 2011, 07:04.
              http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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              • nip
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Apr 2006
                • 1786
                • Home: United Kingdom Current: Abu Dhabi

                #82
                [QUOTE=prj;558872]Motronic without MAF on MAP sensor coming in summer most likely.
                Don't know how well that'll work yet.


                When? so we can get rid of the maf alltogether, is this possible? if so hurry

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                • Billman
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 4129

                  #83
                  We all learn every day. Many people would buy it I think just because they can implement changes with help from others....like VEMS.
                  Go Holset or Go RS4

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                  • prj
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6308
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #84
                    Originally posted by nip
                    When? so we can get rid of the maf alltogether, is this possible? if so hurry
                    Why do you want to "get rid of the MAF"?
                    I already have software that runs with the RS4 MAF, which does not max until 600hp.
                    All this mass-flow hate is silly and caused by misunderstanding.

                    Also, it is mostly stated for marketing reasons. Look at ME7 cars. They make 800+ hp on Motronic just fine.
                    http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                    • quattrofrank
                      S2Forum Enthusiast
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 127
                      • Home: United States Current: Norway

                      #85
                      What settings do you use on the launch?
                      soft rev limiter with 50% fuel / ignition cut and like -20degress igintion ?

                      Tried to fiddle around with my car with 60% start ignition cut and a 200rpm range with 90% end cut. Didnt manage more than 0,4-0,5bar.

                      The only way to get a good launch control setup is to just try different settings, or is it a "recepie" to have a good starting point?

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                      • prj
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 6308
                        • Country: Estonia

                        #86
                        I have just fuel cut.
                        I don't want to retard ignition, because someone will blow their manifold and melt their turbo with it.
                        For that to be even remotely safe you need EGT feedback, but Motronic does not have EGT. Of course, it is possible to add EGT to Motronic, but I don't see the need for it just because of this feature...
                        http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                        • mouse
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 374
                          • Country: Australia

                          #87
                          Just had a thought for another location for controls.. In the ashtray, still within reach and can be totally out of sight if the lid is closed.
                          What do you think?

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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #88
                            Originally posted by prj
                            Why do you want to "get rid of the MAF"?
                            I already have software that runs with the RS4 MAF, which does not max until 600hp.
                            All this mass-flow hate is silly and caused by misunderstanding.

                            Also, it is mostly stated for marketing reasons. Look at ME7 cars. They make 800+ hp on Motronic just fine.
                            Global MAF hating is mainly down to the price of the replacement part which quite frankly considering how wide place they are in cars is not understandable.

                            Have you got details of this conversion with the RS4 maf, is coding only or is it bespoke to your tuning only i.e car has to be tuned by yourself

                            Have you example car projects working close to these power levels, threads, dyno's etc ?

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #89
                              MAF hating is also due to fact that hot-wire version gets destroyed much above 400bhp... hot-film MAF is superior in this regard and I know prj has been working on that - we got some more fun to do with scaling and such for a cleaner install... The principle of a MAF is perfectly sound.
                              Paul Nugent
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                              Administrator http://S2forum.com

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                              • S2central.net
                                Retired OG Mod
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 16590
                                • Country: Northern Ireland

                                #90
                                Originally posted by mouse
                                Just had a thought for another location for controls.. In the ashtray, still within reach and can be totally out of sight if the lid is closed.
                                What do you think?
                                It is a possibility - if maybe fiddly to get in there... I often thought it a good location for other hidden switches... trouble is lots of folk use that location for trash unt ash
                                Paul Nugent
                                Webmaster http://S2central.net
                                Administrator http://S2forum.com

                                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                                Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                                There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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