Launch control for Motronic

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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #106
    Its OK to be sceptical I suppose - especially after all these years with the mindset that such things cannot be changed - it took someone with a lot of skill in disassembly to reverse engineer. The ECU still holds some secrets for sure but together we are slowly unravelling them.

    Lets get this thread back to launch control folks and new threads will appear on the HFM5 conversion in due course !
    Paul Nugent
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    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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    • A80Avant
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Sep 2005
      • 10873
      • Country: Greece

      #107
      I too fancy the idea of motronic being able to see and be tuned with a larger MAF and have no issues, let alone a good/better consumption than VEMS. BUT one thing that still is a cause of concern for me and one of the reasons for going to VEMS and making the effort of learning how to tune it, is the fact that i dont have to search for the tuner everytime the car doesnt boost right and doesnt pop a code as well, everytime that i need to clean the MAF in order to see the boost im supposed to, everytime there is a minor glitch that the motronic is picking up, is creating problems but doesnt throw a code at you to know where to look for and what to do!

      If i were to stick to 1 setup and not change it again, then yes, i would consider doing a custom motronic map with that maf and use it. I would probably also keep VEMS though because the versatility that one gives the other loses, while the accuracy that motronic has, VEMS looses.
      if i manage to get VEMS to be as economical as motronic, then ill probably stick with VEMS. In all fairness, im a hobbist tuner, and havent even been on a dyno to check what the best MBT is, so we'll see!

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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #108
        You don't have to clean the MAF "every time"...
        Once flatfoot shift is done (and optional antilag), I don't see anymore reason to go VEMS on cars under 550hp.

        Also, most reasons that car "does not boost right" etc, is because tuners change 6 maps.
        I said that before.
        If you change 6 maps maybe you will get nice numbers on the dyno and the car will work in a very narrow band of conditions, but it is not the way to tune... all the problems with it not running right, not boosting right etc at high power levels is because of bad calibration.

        Anyway, I have a MAF thread open - comment there. Stick to launch control in this thread.
        http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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        • A80Avant
          S2Forum Obsessed
          • Sep 2005
          • 10873
          • Country: Greece

          #109
          sure, i will comment there, its just that the thread took a different turn towards a wider debate (motronic vs aftermarket)

          ill start another thread then!

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          • prj
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2010
            • 6308
            • Country: Estonia

            #110
            Originally posted by A80Avant
            sure, i will comment there, its just that the thread took a different turn towards a wider debate (motronic vs aftermarket)
            As always.
            http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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            • Acidburn
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Jun 2007
              • 13459
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #111
              Originally posted by prj
              Why do you want to "get rid of the MAF"?
              I already have software that runs with the RS4 MAF, which does not max until 600hp.
              All this mass-flow hate is silly and caused by misunderstanding.

              Also, it is mostly stated for marketing reasons. Look at ME7 cars. They make 800+ hp on Motronic just fine.
              If we wanted to run with the rs4 maf which i'd be interested on mine what would be required? would I need to send my ecu to you etc and is the plug on the maf the same?

              I like the ideas you've come up with already and it is good people are trying more with the stock motronic as I think there's still more to come out of it

              what things do you think you can offer as options or upgrades and what would need you in the car to do and what could be done with just the ecu or chips sent to you.

              Thanks

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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #112
                Paul can handle everything in the UK.
                He has my developments and full support.
                http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                • c.homer_80TDI
                  S2Forum Buff
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 47
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #113
                  i would like a launch control button on the steering wheel preferably a red one (like a NOS button ) i know this means drilling and moding the wheel but how cool would it be?
                  89 FWD 3B Coupe

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                  • prj
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6308
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #114
                    It'll be a a rheostat, rather than a button.
                    I completed the code for the adjustable control - variable from 1800 rpm to 7200 rpm in 36 rpm increments.

                    Paul is going to test it soon I think, and record it while he's at it.
                    http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                    • Costash
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 878
                      • Home: Romania Current: United Kingdom

                      #115
                      Wen it is avaible I want this on my ecu!

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                      • Zoig
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 555
                        • Country: Estonia

                        #116
                        I had a look at the S4 B5 stalk with adjustable switch, I't has a range of 4 steps only. I did not have a multimeter with me, so i dont know the value of those steps. 4 steps seems like really narrow range of adjustment or really big steps of adjustment, either way not ideal solution. Maybe the system inside the stalk could be replaced with a roll to get the same adjustment, but I need to investigate that further.

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                        • S2central.net
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 16590
                          • Country: Northern Ireland

                          #117
                          Very quick update........ It works - I have a rough video of the control knob raising the rev limit at standstill. Will post that later today / tonight when I get another moment.

                          I did the test on chips that were otherwise completely stock.... I did a couple of test launches at ~4500 and it was damn impressive - hope to get some Gmeter runs later in the week with and without.
                          Paul Nugent
                          Webmaster http://S2central.net
                          Administrator http://S2forum.com

                          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                          Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                          There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                          • Costash
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 878
                            • Home: Romania Current: United Kingdom

                            #118

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                            • Rocco
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 6393
                              • Country: Spain

                              #119
                              Originally posted by S2central.net
                              Very quick update........ It works - I have a rough video of the control knob raising the rev limit at standstill. Will post that later today / tonight when I get another moment.

                              I did the test on chips that were otherwise completely stock.... I did a couple of test launches at ~4500 and it was damn impressive - hope to get some Gmeter runs later in the week with and without.
                              how many boost in the launch Paul??
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                              • S2central.net
                                Retired OG Mod
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 16590
                                • Country: Northern Ireland

                                #120
                                it was about 0.5bar... can't be sure - I was being cautious - and with STOCK s/w except for the launch code... need time to collect some tests this week.
                                Paul Nugent
                                Webmaster http://S2central.net
                                Administrator http://S2forum.com

                                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                                Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                                There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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