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  • prj
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Mar 2010
    • 6308
    • Country: Estonia

    #166
    Originally posted by Ruffiano
    you should try with a k24 7400...
    I will as soon as I get it attached.
    Won't be long now.
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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #167
      Results of 1st back to back tests of VLC versus stock ECU. Remember that the ONLY change in code is the addition of VLC - Variable Launch Control.

      I was expecting an improvemnt of 0.1 - 0.2s in 60ft times but ended up with 0.3s

      More tests to come. Dmitri & I have cooked another little refinement for adjustment at higher revs but nobody else need worry about that.

      Now - I am no drag queen - ooops that came out wrong... I dont get it perfect every time - but with VLC enabled it is a LOT easier to get a clean get away with a good swirl of wheelspin and then the G-force hits your guts.

      Running uprated chips with VLC will come next - my poor old car is an R&D shed now
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      • Rocco
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        • Aug 2007
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        #168
        nice Paul¡¡
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        • Ross
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Aug 2005
          • 3399
          • Country: England

          #169
          I'd like to see this on the RS2, must admit it's pretty brutal as-is if you do a 4k launch. I've only ever done one, too much drivetrain sympathy
          AUDI - saving Dad's from minivans since 1994

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          • Sonic
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            • Jul 2006
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            • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

            #170
            If you can keep this thread on topic gents, it would be most appreciated

            You know who you are!
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            • Dan
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jun 2008
              • 1242
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #171
              Depends, the topic is now Dinosaurs, right? I like dinosaurs...

              Okay, srsly. Nice to see some preliminary results, thanks Paul.
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              • prj
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                • Mar 2010
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                • Country: Estonia

                #172
                While Paul was looking once again at the pages and pages of Excel spreadsheets gone into this, he realized that because of the way the RPM limiter is calculated in Motronic we have a small problem.

                Namely the fact, that our variable resistor adjustment does not have a linear change.
                It is finer at the low-end and then gets more and more progressive at the higher-end.
                So this means that while you have adjustments as fine as 10 rpm in the lower end, in the upper end even a single touch of the knob will adjust the limiter by 120 rpm and more.

                This wasn't really acceptable, so I came up with a way of linearizing the adjustment, so that it is always a 36 RPM change. No matter where in the range.

                This is illustrated by the following graph.
                The blue line is the delta for each little change in the adjusting knob's resistance without linearization.
                The red line is the same delta, but with proper linearization applied using some assembly coding inside the ECU:



                This means we are getting closer to the final version.
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                • S2central.net
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 16590
                  • Country: Northern Ireland

                  #173
                  @sonic - thanks for restoring sanity here. I go out for one night and missed all the 'fun' it seems.
                  Paul Nugent
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                  1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                  2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                  2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                  • Rocco
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                    • Aug 2007
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                    #174
                    Originally posted by Ross
                    I'd like to see this on the RS2, must admit it's pretty brutal as-is if you do a 4k launch. I've only ever done one, too much drivetrain sympathy
                    only 4K rev launch?? i was doing a 6/7K launchs in one friendly drag race in spaIN,and no problems
                    Last edited by Rocco; 31 March 2011, 12:24.
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                    • Dan
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                      • Jun 2008
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                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #175
                      Originally posted by Rocco
                      one friendly drag race in space



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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #176
                        Pmsl
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                        • S2central.net
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 16590
                          • Country: Northern Ireland

                          #177
                          So I have source some nice compact pots that will fit in either the centre console near the ciggy lighter or in an unused upper console switch.

                          the problem with the console switches is attached - lots of plastic needs to be neatly removed in a switch blank to add the pot... Does anyone know of alternative types of blank - or suggest something better than ~20 mins of fun with captain dremel to remove the extra material ?
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                          Administrator http://S2forum.com

                          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                          Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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                          • Rocco
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                            • Aug 2007
                            • 6393
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                            #178
                            Originally posted by Dan


                            edited...

                            i did not knew in WTF i was thinking in the writing moment
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                            BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
                            LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #179
                              So... I took the plunge with the dremel and carved up the rear of the blank switch... bit of a phaff but not too bad - addition of an 8mm hole allows the pot control to poke through. I think its a bit of a blatent location though - especially without a nice black knob (can I say that ?) fitted to make it look prettier. I've ordered up enough parts for the 1st ten kits.

                              Anyone wants me to modify a switch blank as part of the service is fine as well as long as it is sent with the ECU for minor surgery - or you can do your own thing with regards personal preference for the pot location - the supplied cable will be long enough for most locations near the driver - and easy to extend for the more bizarre suggestions.
                              Paul Nugent
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                              Administrator http://S2forum.com

                              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                              • andy10v
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                                • Mar 2009
                                • 5996
                                • Country: Scotland

                                #180
                                Originally posted by S2central.net
                                suggest something better than ~20 mins of fun with captain dremel to remove the extra material ?
                                Recruit Madwolf?

                                Good progress guys, think I need a new clutch first though, flat foot shifting sounds interesting though.
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