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  • Simons
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jul 2007
    • 530
    • Country: Spain

    #301
    I think, and I hope, that Mr. D is working on it

    What do you think Paul?

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    • Rocco
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Aug 2007
      • 6393
      • Country: Spain

      #302
      and the speed signal from gearbox could be used with Launch control and Motronic??? on 3B cars i am talking
      RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
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      • Simons
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Jul 2007
        • 530
        • Country: Spain

        #303
        No mate, afaik we need a frecuency signal...and our 3B hasn't got it....now

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        • Rocco
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          • Aug 2007
          • 6393
          • Country: Spain

          #304
          Originally posted by Simons
          No mate, afaik we need a frecuency signal...and our 3B hasn't got it....now
          are you saying that WE CANT USE LC on our cars??
          RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
          BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
          LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #305
            The issue is threefold :

            1 - VSS signal needs added to 'spare' input pin on the 3B ECU connector... there are maybe a few possibilities for that
            2 - a hardware hack on the 3B ECU would need to translate the VSS signal into something the microcontroller inside ECU can do something with
            3 - custom software needs written for 3B micro that will understand the VSS signal... at least enough to ascertain the car is moving or not

            I guarantee that its easier to convert a 3B motor with coilpacks, loom adjustments, ECU swap for DI (direct ignition) operation than do all of the above.
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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #306
              AAN, ABY and ADU ecus have hardware and software support for VSS

              3B ecu does not
              Paul Nugent
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              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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              • Simons
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                • Jul 2007
                • 530
                • Country: Spain

                #307
                Originally posted by Rocco
                are you saying that WE CANT USE LC on our cars??
                We need to wait

                But we have AAN ecu...we have something...we need the signal

                Originally posted by S2central.net
                The issue is threefold :

                1 - VSS signal needs added to 'spare' input pin on the 3B ECU connector... there are maybe a few possibilities for that
                2 - a hardware hack on the 3B ECU would need to translate the VSS signal into something the microcontroller inside ECU can do something with
                3 - custom software needs written for 3B micro that will understand the VSS signal... at least enough to ascertain the car is moving or not

                I guarantee that its easier to convert a 3B motor with coilpacks, loom adjustments, ECU swap for DI (direct ignition) operation than do all of the above.
                Originally posted by S2central.net
                AAN, ABY and ADU ecus have hardware and software support for VSS

                3B ecu does not
                with 3B ecu is more difficul but not impossible

                Rocco and me have multicoils, and we are happy with the change...next step, remove dizzy and put hall like ABY,AAN,ADU

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                • S2central.net
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 16590
                  • Country: Northern Ireland

                  #308
                  If you guys have gone to AAN ECU and coilpacks then of course all you need is to add VSS wire to the ECU plug. You know where to look up which pin...

                  Or I can spell it out for you tomorrow - along with where to find VSS wire on a Coupe that left the factory with 3B engine !!!!!!!
                  Paul Nugent
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                  2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                  • Simons
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                    • Jul 2007
                    • 530
                    • Country: Spain

                    #309
                    Originally posted by S2central.net
                    If you guys have gone to AAN ECU and coilpacks then of course all you need is to add VSS wire to the ECU plug. You know where to look up which pin...

                    Or I can spell it out for you tomorrow - along with where to find VSS wire on a Coupe that left the factory with 3B engine !!!!!!!
                    Yes...I don't remember...I think into pin 50...do you know the wire colour??

                    But I think that the 3B VSS signal, isn't valid to do launch control...we need a frecuency, when I test the blue-white or white-blue to fit the cruise control, the signal was voltaje....I don't know how is the climate or the radio signals...

                    Thanks!

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                    • S2central.net
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 16590
                      • Country: Northern Ireland

                      #310
                      simons - If you want to do launch control a different way then go ahead, but I am telling you that 3B VSS signal is what you need here. It is indeed pin 50 and you will get it as a blue/white wire that comes to one of the radio connectors. Dont confuse yourself any further by looking at it with a voltmeter - this is an AC signal that comes from the gearbox, via the speedo module.

                      Hack this blue/white VSS wire into pin 50 on your AAN ecu and you are there - use vagcom to look at the group that reports speed in kph to verify that its working - then you are ready to launch !!!!
                      Paul Nugent
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                      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                      • prj
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                        • Mar 2010
                        • 6308
                        • Country: Estonia

                        #311
                        Paul, I kinda did that on Simon's car when in Spain and it didn't seem to work...
                        Maybe I did something wrong, but it still showed 0km/h.
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                        • Simons
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                          • Jul 2007
                          • 530
                          • Country: Spain

                          #312
                          Originally posted by S2central.net
                          Hack this blue/white VSS wire into pin 50 on your AAN ecu and you are there - use vagcom to look at the group that reports speed in kph to verify that its working - then you are ready to launch !!!!
                          Ok, I will use vagcom to verify VSS

                          now I can't make any test because I needed remove the turbo...

                          when I have VSS into pin50, and check with vagcom, I will fit launch's eprom and the party will begin

                          Originally posted by prj
                          Paul, I kinda did that on Simon's car when in Spain and it didn't seem to work...
                          Maybe I did something wrong, but it still showed 0km/h.
                          Hi mate! I forget to check if the signal was good or not, the wire was good attach to Bl/W... when I can check it, I will do it

                          I need launch!!I tasted it, and now, I need it!!

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                          • Rocco
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                            • Aug 2007
                            • 6393
                            • Country: Spain

                            #313
                            crazy nutter
                            RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
                            BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
                            LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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                            • djh
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                              • Jun 2011
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                              #314
                              Are you still looking into anti lag?

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                              • prj
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                                • Mar 2010
                                • 6308
                                • Country: Estonia

                                #315
                                When I get my UrS6 together again, then...
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