Main Bearings.

Collapse
This is a sticky topic.
X
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • campbellWS
    S2Forum Addict
    • Oct 2010
    • 446
    • Country: Scotland

    #46
    When i googled glyco bearings i found this on a performance vauxhall forum, thought it would be of interest.



    Bearings
    I use the normal Glyco bearings which are wider than the AE version.
    I no longer use sputter bearings as I have found they wear the crank.
    I have glyco bearings big ends and mains.

    Steve

    Comment

    • JP
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Mar 2007
      • 1858
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #47
      Sputter bearings are harder than the normal tri layer bearings. I have found several engines that have not run sputter bearings where the softer tri layer bearing has crushed and leads to early failure on turbo engines.

      The bearing itself is a non contact item supported on a film of oil. The only reason you would see damage to the crank is if either the engine has been starved off oil or impurities are in the oil as the sputter bearing being harder cannot absorb these which is why you run the softer tri layer bearing in the cap where it does not receive the crushing loads to help absorb small particles.

      The later I5's rarely need a regrind from bearing failure if neither of the above problems have occured unlike the earlier 10v's which run the same cranks with no sputter bearings which require regrinds all the time on rebuild.
      UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

      Comment

      • DJones
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jun 2005
        • 2020
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #48
        Originally posted by RWD19T
        Sputter bearings are harder than the normal tri layer bearings. I have found several engines that have not run sputter bearings where the softer tri layer bearing has crushed and leads to early failure on turbo engines.

        The bearing itself is a non contact item supported on a film of oil. The only reason you would see damage to the crank is if either the engine has been starved off oil or impurities are in the oil as the sputter bearing being harder cannot absorb these which is why you run the softer tri layer bearing in the cap where it does not receive the crushing loads to help absorb small particles.

        The later I5's rarely need a regrind from bearing failure if neither of the above problems have occured unlike the earlier 10v's which run the same cranks with no sputter bearings which require regrinds all the time on rebuild.

        Great post.. I think its pretty hard to obtain none sputter sets now..

        For reference i get my bearings (KS) and rings from IMEX and they deliver to your door..

        Darren.

        Comment

        • campbellWS
          S2Forum Addict
          • Oct 2010
          • 446
          • Country: Scotland

          #49
          I have broken down a 144,000m aby engine for a 500hp+ rebuild, all parts are in a1 condition and the main bearings are like new, not even a hairline mark on them, would it be rediculous to use them again? I understant that if they are out anyway why not replace them but as i said they are perfect, would there be any advantages

          thanks

          Comment

          • DJones
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jun 2005
            • 2020
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #50
            Personally I would just replace them. 144k miles is 144k which ever way you look at it. To reach your goal reliably everything needs to be right.

            Comment

            • campbellWS
              S2Forum Addict
              • Oct 2010
              • 446
              • Country: Scotland

              #51
              good plan! i just thought it was worth an ask. many thanks

              Comment

              • ManiacuV6
                S2Forum Addict
                • Dec 2009
                • 458
                • Country: Romania

                #52
                Can i hear an opinion at least about 034motorsport main bearings .I seen on the website that the bearings are coatet with "a special layer". I have an early AAN and i want in the future to do a rebuild. Thanks!
                Audi S4 2.2T 5 spd 1992 for parts
                AUDI A4 1.9TDI daily use

                Audi 80 Quattro 2.0 16V (ACE) aka Competition

                Comment

                • JP
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 1858
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #53
                  That sounds like the calico coated bearings. Which are stock tri layer bearings with microfilm of dry lube coating. I had a set custim coated for my personal engine to see what difference they may make.

                  The only time they come into play is if you rev the engine 8000+rpm and get oil cavitation where the dryfilm lubricant coating prevents the bearings picking up on the crank. Other than that they make no difference as your crank is aupported permanently by a film of oil during operation.
                  UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

                  Comment

                  • andy10v
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 5996
                    • Country: Scotland

                    #54
                    Could they help save an engine from momentary oil starvation due to slosh?

                    Photos here of a set that were run for 5-10 min with no oil pressure (assembly lube on though), and then 2k of use.

                    SOooooo, about two years ago when i put my zermatt's 3b engine together, i put the oil pump plunger in backwards unknowingly and had no oil pressure. I installed 034's coated bearings, lubed up liberally, and the engine was run for between 5-10 minutes with zero oil flow. i've since put a little...
                    Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                    Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                    Sold ABY-stock

                    Comment

                    • 20Vcqdriver
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 829
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #55
                      Out of curiosity, has anyone using glyco bearings ever used 'plastigauge' to see what the clearance was? Done this on mine and they seem to be out of spec at 0.065mm on the main and 0.07mm for the big end. Or is this acceptable??
                      1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
                      2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
                      2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

                      Comment

                      • Pirvu Eugen
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1978
                        • Country: Romania

                        #56
                        I used them in my engine and..on both..mains and rods were 0.05mm.

                        Comment

                        • 20Vcqdriver
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 829
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Pirvu Eugen
                          I used them in my engine and..on both..mains and rods were 0.05mm.
                          So are mine out of spec and is it OK to take a bit off one of the shell edges to reduce clearance, or is that as I suspect a big No No!
                          1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
                          2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
                          2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

                          Comment

                          • Pirvu Eugen
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 1978
                            • Country: Romania

                            #58
                            Originally posted by 20Vcqdriver
                            So are mine out of spec and is it OK to take a bit off one of the shell edges to reduce clearance, or is that as I suspect a big No No!
                            NO WAY....measure the crank....for sure is out of spec...

                            Comment

                            Working...