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  • newsh
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Aug 2003
    • 16226
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #46
    Can you pop the cover off the relay and see if the contacts are working?

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    • Biggss2
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Sep 2011
      • 544
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #47
      The relays off newsh seems to connect ok and hasn't got any green/white limescale/scum on it so as far as I can see relays ok.. It's a gray one
      ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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      • Biggss2
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Sep 2011
        • 544
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #48
        Ok as per my cousin this Is how the fuel pump testing went down, you guys are overly helpful so even if this helps one person-BONUS

        Car had spark, wouldn't start, kept on blowing lambda heater fuse!

        1st thoughts were control position sensor located behind crank pulley- Right this is where I went wrong and nearly a hundred and something pounds out of pocket. If there Is a spark the hall sender is fine and is receiving signals to and from ECU

        Next checked timing on bell housing and top crank - it was fine.

        By now all obvious avenues had been exhausted time and time again, fuses and relays earth straps earth from engine to car etc etc all was corresponding and inline with how things should have been

        Right now I thought it's got to be the immobilizer that is stopping the car from starting, I am so glad I didn't go crazy with my wire snips!

        The more I think about the next bit the more I'm thinking if there was a spark we would have been f***ed

        Thoughts turned to fuel pump.. It got stripped out of the boot of the car left in a bath of petrol, luckily everyone had put out there cigarettes by now and we wasn't near any naked flames.. The pump got taken out the petrol bath and hooked up to a live battery.. It spluttered a little spluttered some more then it started dancing...

        Put back in the car and magic it started, I'm not sure it was a safe bet, but I am only sharing this information as to what I did and I am not endorsing it from a health and safety point of view

        Maybe Paul/mods know a safer way of testing which they can report

        Many thanks to you guys for your contributions/information it was priceless!

        When in my posts I say 'I' I refer to my cousin (bless him) my mechanic (Shaun china- surname of wheeler dealer Ed china it's not really china lol) and my brother, mr Multimeter who have all contributed and played a great part in bringing my s2 back to life..

        Thankyou thankyou thankyou
        ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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        • S2central.net
          Retired OG Mod
          • Jul 2003
          • 16590
          • Country: Northern Ireland

          #49
          Well that's one way to test a fuel pump !

          All well that ends well again though :-)
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          • Biggss2
            S2Forum Maniac
            • Sep 2011
            • 544
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #50
            Lol sure is

            I've got an in depth guide on changing the cambelt tomorrow which I shall be using



            I keep saying 'i' I'm really on making tea and tool passing duties
            ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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            • S2TORNADO
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Jan 2008
              • 620
              • Country: England

              #51
              the bit where you said you tested it across a battery and it spluttered into life makes me think even more the pump is on its way out. once you've took it out of the fuel bath it is in effect turning the pump in fresh air against no fuel resistance. the spluttering bit is when the last of the fuel is drained/pumped out of the way and then up to full speed.

              definately keep your eye on it and i wouldn't refit the carpets etc for a few weeks or so.
              keep any tools you need to access it again with you. i hope i'm wrong but i think you'll be revisiting this.

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              • newsh
                S2Forum Obsessed
                • Aug 2003
                • 16226
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #52
                Originally posted by Biggss2
                The relays off newsh seems to connect ok and hasn't got any green/white limescale/scum on it so as far as I can see relays ok.. It's a gray one
                I'm talking about the little cover of the actual relay, is it a click on plastic cover? If so you can pop the top off it with a thin screwdriver. You want to see if the contacts are stuck together.

                Alternatively listen to the relay with a screwdriver in your ear and get someone to turn the ignition on and off, if it clicks then its working and the problem is elsewhere.

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                • Biggss2
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 544
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #53
                  Originally posted by newsh
                  I'm talking about the little cover of the actual relay, is it a click on plastic cover? If so you can pop the top off it with a thin screwdriver. You want to see if the contacts are stuck together.

                  Alternatively listen to the relay with a screwdriver in your ear and get someone to turn the ignition on and off, if it clicks then its working and the problem is elsewhere.
                  Lol yea relays naked I can the the copper wire etc the contacts look ok.. Will pursue the otter switch see way happens when that's disconnected?! Fan stops working when I disconnect relay..
                  ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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                  • Biggss2
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 544
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #54
                    Originally posted by S2TORNADO
                    the bit where you said you tested it across a battery and it spluttered into life makes me think even more the pump is on its way out. once you've took it out of the fuel bath it is in effect turning the pump in fresh air against no fuel resistance. the spluttering bit is when the last of the fuel is drained/pumped out of the way and then up to full speed.

                    definately keep your eye on it and i wouldn't refit the carpets etc for a few weeks or so.
                    keep any tools you need to access it again with you. i hope i'm wrong but i think you'll be revisiting this.

                    Hmmm your scaring me now! Are 3B and ABY fuel pumps same/compatible?

                    Thanks
                    ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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                    • S2TORNADO
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 620
                      • Country: England

                      #55
                      not trying to scare you fella. just advising to keep on your toes. worst case on the car is a new pump!!
                      there are two different fuel pumps across 3b and aby. the diameter is the difference, later ones are thiner. you can run either but if your swapping over between the two you need to change the whole plastic cradle that sits in the tank.

                      Originally posted by Biggss2
                      Hmmm your scaring me now! Are 3B and ABY fuel pumps same/compatible?

                      Thanks

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                      • Biggss2
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 544
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #56
                        No, of course I appreciate your help and can't thank you enough!

                        That sounds long, will keep to an Aby pump less arseache.. Take it out get a part number and pick one up from euro
                        ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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                        • S2TORNADO
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 620
                          • Country: England

                          #57
                          not trying to confuse you but i think its only the later aby's that has the thinner pump so check. the thinner one is about 1 inch or so diameter. the earlier 3b type pump is over two inch diameter. i'm not 100% but i think some earlier aby's have the bigger diam pump up to a certain year.
                          physically check what you have!!

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                          • Biggss2
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 544
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #58
                            Hi all fan issues

                            Relay in, otter switch disconnected.. Fan still keeps running

                            Relay out, otter switch connected fan doesn't work

                            Can we safely say the otter switch is causing the problem here?

                            Thanks
                            ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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                            • Biggss2
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 544
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #59
                              Also I require a 3256 crank locking tool for my cambelt, it's the ABY some people are saying this tool works others are saying it doesn't Any ideas does it work? Where can I get one/loan one from?

                              Thanks
                              ''I'm 999 thou' short of a mill!''

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                              • newsh
                                S2Forum Obsessed
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 16226
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Biggss2
                                Hi all fan issues

                                Relay in, otter switch disconnected.. Fan still keeps running

                                Relay out, otter switch connected fan doesn't work

                                Can we safely say the otter switch is causing the problem here?

                                Thanks
                                No.

                                Does the car have AC?

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