How does this happen? (valves)

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  • stocious
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jul 2012
    • 838
    • Country: Ireland

    #16
    how
    1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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    • chezz
      S2Forum Addict
      • Apr 2007
      • 440
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      check the keyways...if I'm wrong then fair enough, but the keyways are the first port of call and then look elsewhere.

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      • Ian Simmonds
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jun 2005
        • 2858
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        Is there witness marks on the piston crown?
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        • stocious
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Jul 2012
          • 838
          • Country: Ireland

          #19
          Originally posted by Ian Simmonds
          Is there witness marks on the piston crown?
          now were talking,
          1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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          • pasbogdan
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Sep 2009
            • 1160
            • Country: Romania

            #20
            Originally posted by stocious
            possibly to do with valve spring weakness.. had you had any valve change pout before, stem lenght maybe be different betwwen valve's and the hydraulic follower compensated, or are they mechanical ? im interested
            Spring has no role here.Valve is pushed by piston to follower.If follower lets oil out valve gets unharmed.Specialy on valves perpendicular to piston the follower takes impact.Had 1.9 tdi with belt failure and after replacing one for testing it had compresion.But followers were damaged on the top.

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            • stocious
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Jul 2012
              • 838
              • Country: Ireland

              #21
              put the head on a table and check it with a straight edge for a start !! remove all valve check the lenght of each stem !! pick a valve and put in each seat and check distance from head to top of stem. measure heaight of all valve springs and note all measurement to each cylinder!! thats what id do and your 100% right in wondering what the fack happend, even go as far and weigh the valves, who knows what some one could of done.
              1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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              • stocious
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Jul 2012
                • 838
                • Country: Ireland

                #22
                Originally posted by pasbogdan
                Spring has no role here.Valve is pushed by piston to follower.If follower lets oil out valve gets unharmed.Specialy on valves perpendicular to piston the follower takes impact.Had 1.9 tdi with belt failure and after replacing one for testing it had compresion.But followers were damaged on the top.
                belt failure is not what happend here, its isolated failure . im not a pro engine builder but physics is physics , those valves did not get out of the pistons way in time, not all of them like a belt failur which tells me that it was over rev and they for some reason took a *****
                1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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                • pasbogdan
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 1160
                  • Country: Romania

                  #23
                  Man had a problem why one valve is bent and one no at same piston.He knows what bent them.Or i got it wrong?

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                  • Acidburn
                    S2Forum Obsessed
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 13459
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    sorry but why are people arguing. Arn't we all hear to help people. I know some people's views on what went wrong are different but thats people's views no need to get into arguements.

                    Much better to throw ideas out there and then everything can be looked at till the solution is found and this guy gets his answer.

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                    • newsh
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                      • Aug 2003
                      • 16226
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Yeah, play nice children!

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                      • chezz
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                        • Apr 2007
                        • 440
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        If you are going to step into the arena, you must come well equipped with 'knowledge'...assumptions are all very well and good, but sadly diagnosing complex engine problems, is extremely difficult over the internet at the best of times - I made my diagnosis based a previous valve to pistons collision which was due to a rare camshaft keyway failure...somewhwere along the way there must have been a failure with the engine timing, whether that was due to the cambelt, crank pulley keyway, cam pulley keyway or another factor - time will inevitably reveal what has caused this failure.

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                        • pasbogdan
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Sep 2009
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                          • Country: Romania

                          #27
                          @Stocious:You are joking,right?You have a life and forum should be something technical,nothing more.
                          @Chazz:He knows some things,you should not take him this way.Stem high is important when grinding seats for proper follower functioning
                          So:
                          Ask again:Man had a problem why one valve is bent and one no at same piston.He knows what bent them.Or i got it wrong?

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                          • Gavin A
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                            • Nov 2012
                            • 260
                            • Country: England

                            #28
                            OH MY GOD - PLEASE DONT GET NASTY, everyone has an opinion and on a forum they are all welcome.

                            A weird one i know and i expect all sorts of theorys.

                            I realy think the lifters could be part of this- the car had only been running 3 mins since sitting for years, but they had gone quiet (a detail i missed sorry)

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                            • newsh
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                              • Aug 2003
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                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              I'd say possibly missed gear = over rev and a couple of valves failed to get out of the way in time, If it was timing I would expect to see a lot more bent valves than just 2.

                              Stocious, remember, when a man points a finger there are three pointing back

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                              • newsh
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                                • Aug 2003
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Gavin A
                                the car had only been running 3 mins since sitting for years, but they had gone quiet (a detail i missed sorry)
                                That's fairly important detail to miss amigo

                                Rust on the valve stems, valves stuck open?

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