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  • UrS4boy
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Feb 2006
    • 11859
    • Country: Canada

    #31
    Originally posted by tomwood_uk
    Little update gents, spoke to Craig at tdi turbos. He's not surprised with the poor response and lag I'm experiencing. He seems to think that the turbo is really too big for the 450hp range I'm aiming for. He doesn't rate the GTX line at all, and although they can produce very good power they sacrifice too much down the bottom end to be effective for on a street motor.
    So I wasn't just talking trash.

    Originally posted by UrS4boy
    Unless you (we) were to go to a variable geometry turbo, going to a turbo that is larger than stock (K24-7000) turbo and gives a better top end performance will always give you worse performance down low (lag, loss of torque, etc). This is true even when going from a stock 3B/AAN/ABY K24-7000 to an RS2 ADU K24-7200.
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    • tomwood_uk
      S2Forum Addict
      • Feb 2009
      • 336
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #32
      [QUOTE=UrS4boy;807348]So I wasn't just talking trash.

      I didn't say you was

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      • DJones
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jun 2005
        • 2020
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #33
        [QUOTE=tomwood_uk;807401]
        Originally posted by UrS4boy
        So I wasn't just talking trash.

        I didn't say you was
        Lol, well a little cuz you can get some that produce more and start earlier.... Though surge is never far away....

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        • DJones
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Jun 2005
          • 2020
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #34
          [QUOTE=DJones;807427]
          Originally posted by tomwood_uk

          Lol, well a little cuz you can get some that produce more and start earlier.... Though surge is never far away....

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          • europeanme
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Oct 2005
            • 3817
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #35
            Tom,
            Any problems with your injectors?.....and can I ask where you bought them??...

            Mike

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            • AndyP
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Feb 2004
              • 6049
              • Country: England

              #36
              Originally posted by DJones
              Yes 488bhp 647nm at 1.8 bar. Took AndyP around the block and the police turned up from memory...
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              • AndyP
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Feb 2004
                • 6049
                • Country: England

                #37
                Originally posted by Jamo
                I strongly disagree with the 1st paragraph but thats IMO, and those such as AndyP have been educated as such
                I'm very happy with my mapping thank you

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                • prj
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                  • Mar 2010
                  • 6308
                  • Country: Estonia

                  #38
                  GTX3071R on stock cams should have full boost just before or at 4k in 3rd, not after 4.5k. A GT3076R makes full boost at 4.1-4.2 in 3rd.
                  If it's making full boost at 4.5k something is wrong with your car, end of.
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                  • Jaswan
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 765
                    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                    #39
                    what about asking to see if anyone can loan you a turbo to try before spending too much money?

                    do you know what power it was making? i know you say you set 1.5 bar on the boost controller, did it make 1.5 bar?

                    i am thinking along the lines of the wategate not sealing properly.

                    i would run it on the n75 until you are happy with it just to get rid of another variable.

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                    • Error404
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 19789
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #40
                      Tom, did you changed the turbo in the end?
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                      • adam g
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 445
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #41
                        Originally posted by tomwood_uk
                        Evening gents,

                        However...lag is a real issue. Very little boost below 3k , and I don't think it's making full boost until well after 4k rpm. Mark wants me to change to a smaller turbo but iv gott be honest, I thought this setup would be ideal for a street car?

                        Any suggestions or similar experience?
                        Ive recently had my car mapped and am also disappointed with the lag using a GT3071R which should spool quicker than your GTX I believe. At 4K RPM Im seeing 15psi. Im putting it down to the hot side of the turbo as I had it opened out from .6 to circa .7 to give more top end. This is using an N75.

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                        • prj
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 6308
                          • Country: Estonia

                          #42
                          Originally posted by adam g
                          Ive recently had my car mapped and am also disappointed with the lag using a GT3071R which should spool quicker than your GTX I believe. At 4K RPM Im seeing 15psi. Im putting it down to the hot side of the turbo as I had it opened out from .6 to circa .7 to give more top end. This is using an N75.
                          At 4k you should be seeing 30 psi. With a 0.63 hotside you should be seeing it at 3800 rpm.

                          Mapped plenty of cars with these turbos.
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                          • Ross
                            S2Forum Possessed
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 3399
                            • Country: England

                            #43
                            My old 3B with a GT3071R had to be mapped with slower boost ramp-up to prevent surge. It was crazy, trying to make full boost around 3500rpm if i recall. After mapping it was making it at 3800rpm and spooled up damn quick!

                            I need to stop thinking about it, car is off the road longer term now and it's tempting to start fettling with it
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                            • newsh
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                              • Aug 2003
                              • 16226
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #44
                              Above 3k the 3071 really starts to go for it, 2 Bar at 4k is right.

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                              • S2central.net
                                Retired OG Mod
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 16590
                                • Country: Northern Ireland

                                #45
                                I would lose the 7A cam(s), swap out the turbo for GT3071R (0.63) for a target of 450bhp territory and desire for strong mid range torque (as opposed to max power up top).
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