500hp turbos- part 2

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  • Rocco
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Aug 2007
    • 6393
    • Country: Spain

    #46
    Billet wheels are stronger at least,right?
    RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
    BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
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    • driftin jo
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Sep 2007
      • 2222
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #47
      Originally posted by david1980
      you will never get a old style 20vt il5 to breathe as well as a new engine, its the engine thats holding up the turbo
      Sorry but that statement is complete nonsense,
      with head work the old i5 can easily out flow a modern
      engine. If you dont believe me have a look at JP's build
      thread and see the VE curve.

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      • popdemonic
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Dec 2007
        • 1304
        • Country: Thailand

        #48
        Originally posted by Thuppu
        Most gain of the billet wheel would be psychological, it sure looks good.
        oh yes Thomas ,that definitely gained over 100hp with its look lol.
        Personally i never expected any gains on hp that much with the
        blink blink wheel but the stock has been bitten some dust and
        has some slightly chips on the fins that was the good time
        to replace it with billet's but it's great to see it spools up little
        earlier than stock wheel.
        one of a few I5 from Asia.

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        • Thuppu
          S2Forum Freak
          • Sep 2010
          • 4115
          • Country: Finland

          #49
          Originally posted by popdemonic
          oh yes Thomas ,that definitely gained over 100hp with its look lol.
          Personally i never expected any gains on hp that much with the
          blink blink wheel but the stock has been bitten some dust and
          has some slightly chips on the fins that was the good time
          to replace it with billet's but it's great to see it spools up little
          earlier than stock wheel.
          Pop, sure there is usually a small gain in spoolup because the stronger billet wheel is machined thinner than a cast wheel so it's lighter. Depends of the design/layout, usually they also give a little better flow than the stock wheel.

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          • Quattronaut
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            • May 2013
            • 273
            • Country: Germany

            #50
            Originally posted by Rocco
            Uuuhmphhh...hm. Let me come back again to that idea with the running hampster inside the comp wheel

            Originally posted by Rocco
            Maybe because was done in winter time and near 0 degrees outside?...98 octanes
            May play a role. But does not explain Dmitry´s contradictory statements. Whatever...not to be commented by me.
            But as told- for me it is a real good charger, but not for really more than 500 hp.

            Originally posted by Thuppu
            Using E85 is perfectly normal fuel in countries who has it available. I wouldn't consider it as "dope" like NOS.
            I live in germany; here it is less available. I even don´t think, that motors are constructed for it- but since I am not really much into it, I might be wrong here. The reason, why I prefer the discussion here based on "normal" fuels is, that this is available and known everywhere, and everyone knows the results when using it. It´s only about comparability- now one can really tell you exactly what will be the difference between 95oktan super and E85 on the same motor. Especially when it is tuned.

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            • Quattronaut
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              • May 2013
              • 273
              • Country: Germany

              #51
              Guys- at the threads beginning DIESEL DES suggested two lists- one with turbos that need modified motors, one on stock motors for 500hp. I for myself would have problems in defining them, ´cause so much can be done on a motor, so many ways to improve...

              Considering the difference between DD cars driven in town and traffic, and track or race/ drag cars, I would suggest one list with turbos that can reach upt to around 500hp with best possible lag and spool behaviour, and another list for those who wanna run off limits and say "I wanna clearly brake the 500 limit, doesn´t matter if there is no power below 4500rpm". Thoughts?

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              • driftin jo
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Sep 2007
                • 2222
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #52
                Originally posted by Quattronaut
                Guys- at the threads beginning DIESEL DES suggested two lists- one with turbos that need modified motors, one on stock motors for 500hp. I for myself would have problems in defining them, ´cause so much can be done on a motor, so many ways to improve...

                Considering the difference between DD cars driven in town and traffic, and track or race/ drag cars, I would suggest one list with turbos that can reach upt to around 500hp with best possible lag and spool behaviour, and another list for those who wanna run off limits and say "I wanna clearly brake the 500 limit, doesn´t matter if there is no power below 4500rpm". Thoughts?

                My thoughts are that all engines need to be modified for 500hp with a minimum of rods being upgraded and compression dropped for regular pump fuel, so the whole premise is flawed.

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                • repo
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 893
                  • Country: Finland

                  #53
                  Most gain of the billet wheel would be psychological, it sure looks good.
                  I beg to differ here. Although You admit it Yourself in later post, at least partly, but I'll rephrase anyways:

                  Billet wheels are lighter, this is true. The cone in the middle of compressor wheel is significantly smaller in modern billet wheel designs than in the cast opponents of same dimensions. Hence they have more flow area, and obviously more flow capacity. IOW if cast and billet wheels same dimensions, billet wheel has longer blades.
                  Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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                  • vti2
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 281
                    • Home: Portugal Current: Germany

                    #54
                    Guys ist all in the tune. Yesterday i Drived an S4 with a GT3582 on E85, the Car made 637hp on Dino, it has 1 bar at 3000 rpm's, 2 bar at 4000 rpm's and fullboost 2,3 bar at 4300 rpm's. Go like Crazy. The Car has 8,0:1 Compression Ratio, upgradet rods, a PK EM, 4" Exhaust 2 bosch Pumps and 1000cc injectors.
                    Ist ist Running on a Vems.
                    On E85 you can reduce lag pushing the Timing to higher Levels. On 102 Pump Gas you can only go to 22 degrees Timings advance on E85 we arme Running 30 degrees advance without Problems. That Makes a Big diference on spool and HP.

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                    • popdemonic
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 1304
                      • Country: Thailand

                      #55
                      yes, Im running 31 advance timing on E85.throttle response is far way faster w/o knock.
                      one of a few I5 from Asia.

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                      • Audiboys4
                        S2Forum Fanatic
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 56
                        • Country: Norway

                        #56
                        Audi RS2 : Garrett GT3076 AR82, 4" antisurge
                        Wagner RS2 EVO KK flange,
                        8,5CR
                        750cc EV14/Bosch 044 pump
                        3" Miltek exhaust without cat
                        mildly ported head with original cams
                        Original IC and Airfilterbox
                        Autronic SM4 PnP
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                        • Thuppu
                          S2Forum Freak
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 4115
                          • Country: Finland

                          #57
                          The PDF's doesn't work.

                          Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                          Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                          BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                          BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                          • Audiboys4
                            S2Forum Fanatic
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 56
                            • Country: Norway

                            #58
                            Changed it
                            Audi Rs2
                            Audi A3 Sportback
                            Ducati 1098R

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                            • Rocco
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 6393
                              • Country: Spain

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Audiboys4
                              Changed it
                              Only 453HP at the flywheel?
                              Or is this at the wheels?

                              Because is a GT30R, right?
                              RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
                              BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
                              LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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                              • Audiboys4
                                S2Forum Fanatic
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 56
                                • Country: Norway

                                #60
                                On the wheels......
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                                Audi A3 Sportback
                                Ducati 1098R

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