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  • UrS4boy
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Feb 2006
    • 11859
    • Country: Canada

    #31
    3B and early UrS4 G40 Hall Sender replacement

    Originally posted by gmac78
    Hmm that would explain the kick i was experiencing. Hope you right and it's nothing more sinister. Ordered a new G40 from EFi so a waiting game now. Guess i'll whip out the distributor and strip it down in the mean time.
    You saw this:?

    RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
    94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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    • gmac78
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Oct 2009
      • 928
      • Home: Scotland

      #32
      Originally posted by newsh
      Do you know anyone with a scope you can put on it? You can see the flywheel and hall on the same screen and see if they look correct. There's pics on here.
      No i don't think i know anyone who would have a scope, not used one of these since my college days. Would come in handy now right though!

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      • gmac78
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        • Oct 2009
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        • Home: Scotland

        #33
        Originally posted by UrS4boy
        I stumbled upon this guide last night, just what i'm looking for, perfect! Bloody good forum this.

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        • twoqu
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Sep 2003
          • 3103

          #34
          To check whether the hall sender is functioning you would need to remove the dizzy cap to observe the window in the rotor. Essentially they should be nearly 5V when the rotor covers the sender and 0V when the sender is exposed by the window in the rotor. The dizzy connector shoul have ground/earth on pin 1, 12V+ on pin 3 and the signal out from pin 2 to the ecu alternates between 5V and 0V. The values in the real world are close.
          The ign will need to be on to get the measurement.

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          • Error404
            Super Moderator
            • Mar 2007
            • 19789
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #35
            I seem to remember the hall sensor wiring is reversed on the 3B to ABY.

            ABY is +12v pin 1, ECU output pin 2, earth pin 3
            3B is earth pin 1, ECU output pin 2, +12v pin 3

            So perhaps the polarity of the sensor is the opposite of what the ABY ecu needs to see?
            A suitable LED across pin 1 + 2 at the hall sensor connector would tell you if/how it is working
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            • gmac78
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              • Oct 2009
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              #36
              Are we sure about 12v across across 3B Pin1 and Pin 3? I only get 4.99 with ignition on? Hmmm.....

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              • newsh
                S2Forum Obsessed
                • Aug 2003
                • 16226
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #37
                I didn't change any wiring at the hall sender when doing the pin swap on my 3B.

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                • gmac78
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Oct 2009
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                  • Home: Scotland

                  #38
                  When you get a chance could you try a multimeter across the Dizzy 3 pin connector with ignition on. I'm intrigued to see would values you get? Perhaps this is my problem all along??

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                  • UrS4boy
                    S2Forum Obsessed
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 11859
                    • Country: Canada

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Error404
                    I seem to remember the hall sensor wiring is reversed on the 3B to ABY.
                    This is AAN (and ABY):





                    Easy enough to resolve the issue with absolute certainty with the harness connector disconnected from the G40 itself. by looking for continuity between either Pin 1 or Pin 3 and ground. Only the correct on will have continuity.

                    Last edited by UrS4boy; 29 July 2016, 17:49.
                    RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                    94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                    • twoqu
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 3103

                      #40
                      Sorry it should be 5V as its referenced from the ecu!

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                      • Error404
                        Super Moderator
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 19789
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #41
                        3B schematic:



                        ABY schematic:

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                        Last edited by Error404; 29 July 2016, 21:02.
                        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                        Indigo ABY coupé
                        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                        • andy10v
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 5996
                          • Country: Scotland

                          #42
                          From my 3b

                          Pin 1-pin 3 4.99volts
                          Pin 1-cam cover 5.02v

                          Pin1-Pin 2
                          0.11v Hall sensor window closed
                          4.88v Hall sensor window open

                          Mine was inverted from the info on SJM, mine was low voltage, then higher voltage at the window open.

                          Hall sensor is inverted ABY-3B
                          Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                          Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                          Sold ABY-stock

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                          • Error404
                            Super Moderator
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 19789
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #43
                            5v is correct. I mistakenly thought 12v
                            Had a look, it's fed from pin 12 of ECU on ABY

                            All irrelevant I guess if John's swap worked fine using his untouched 3B G40
                            Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                            Indigo ABY coupé
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                            • newsh
                              S2Forum Obsessed
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 16226
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #44
                              No boost after engine/turbo upgrade

                              Both the same?
                              Last edited by newsh; 29 July 2016, 21:11.

                              S2 Coupe 3B Project


                              Ur quattro restoration

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                              • Error404
                                Super Moderator
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 19789
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #45
                                Dammit I can't do this **** on my phone

                                Edit- there we go, fixed!
                                Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                                Indigo ABY coupé
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