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  • Vorsprung durch Technik
    S2Forum Freak
    • Jun 2007
    • 4754
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    This question is kind of related to the how do you improve handling question.It might help some of us understand whats what as it would be beneficial as some of you have probably driven all these cars and have personal experience of what your thought were more comfortable and what was by far better handling. Apologies for the long one!!

    Am i wright or wrong your thoughts **VERY MUCH APPRECIATED**

    I find the S2 Avant and avants in general to be a better handling cars than the S2 coupe.The coupe is surprisingly comfortable. The 90 20v FWD saloon with the factory sport suspension was i thought a very very good blend of comfort and handling might be the best blend i have experienced from the B3 and B4 cars along with the S2 avant quattro being better.But weight plays a big part in it too the 90 20v being a lighter car.

    I have changed all the suspension on a 2.6 B4 avant not my current one but my previous one for new audi parts that's shocks,springs,bump stops,dust shileds,ball joints,drop links every bush inc wishbone bushes rear axle bushes and i found the car handled better for sure and much more comfortable firm yet supple and better insulated from ridges and bumps that these audis are quite bad for noise wise getting into the cab when suspension tired.

    I had a FWD J reg 90 20v saloon still do, but shell gone now along with all the bodywork. That car really impressed me with how comfortable it was yet still decent handling.It had cast front wishbones which i suspect are better handling than the pressed ones.Do the cast wishbones make that much difference.I suspect they do but not entirly sure by how much??No harshness coming through into cabin unlike what you get with the Avant on its original supension.

    My question is..why the big diferences. Did audi make different stifness bushes.For example would the standard Rs2 bushes be different to the rest of the B4 range?????

    Years ago i found that if you can find uprated rubber bushes the improvement is really noticeable.Nowadys eveybody seams to go the polybush route.But is that because its cheaper plus they last longer than OEM but more noisy.Sorry for the long one.
    96 URS6 plus speck saloon
    96 URS6 plus speck estate
    94 2.6 80 Avant
    99 2.8 final edition Cabriolet

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    • bartolomeus
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Jan 2009
      • 1475
      • Country: Romania

      #17
      Originally posted by rynaqui
      So far this is what I've had, KW V1 suspension or better. Whiteline RARB on stiffest setting but this is very harsh and a front RS2 FARB but is not really necessary IMO.

      New drop links (stabilizer links - RS2 front (Thicker) and S2 coupe Rear)
      Wishbone bushes - Superflex or other polybushed
      Subframe bushes
      Renew ball joints and tie rod ends
      Diff hanger bush

      Refresh the under mounts, diff, gearbox and engine with OEM (I have not tried aftermarket here - takes around three-four hours)
      Front snub mount (Rusty on here is having a really nice set made up soon). This should reduce engine movement a lot.

      There is also the option of having wider tyres at the front as well
      Can you provide a link with the Whiteline ARB products? I went to their website but I didn't find it...
      So basically the easiest solution in ARB would be

      in the front : RS2 front ARB
      rear: S2 Coupe front ARB

      They match exactly no other mods?

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      • bartolomeus
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Jan 2009
        • 1475
        • Country: Romania

        #18
        Originally posted by Error404
        Best bang for buck IMHO is stiffer rear ARB, then poly bushes
        Which one? Do you have a link directly to the product?
        Also why not a stiffer ARB in the front as well?
        There are lots of example here but I cannot locate them anywhere on the Internet to buy them

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        • Error404
          Super Moderator
          • Mar 2007
          • 19789
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Seek and ye shall find

          Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
          Indigo ABY coupé
          Imola B6 S4 Avant

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          • Lloyd
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Apr 2006
            • 1559
            • Home: Wales Current: England

            #20
            Neuspeed RARB, Poly bushes, RS2 H&R, Bilstein Dampers, Pro Mounts, Poly Diff and engine snub mount and track geo setup.
            RS2+ (now sold...)

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            • Vorsprung durch Technik
              S2Forum Freak
              • Jun 2007
              • 4754
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              Originally posted by Error404
              Only read first 2 pages but found seriously good info ref the anylitical mind of Rusty.Just what i am after.More happy revelations to read about in rest of link.Essential reading.Thanks
              96 URS6 plus speck saloon
              96 URS6 plus speck estate
              94 2.6 80 Avant
              99 2.8 final edition Cabriolet

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              • Bowie69
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Nov 2013
                • 2675
                • Country: England

                #22
                For info: http://www.camskill.co.uk/m14b346s43..._89-94_Quattro

                Pretty good price if you ask me.

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                • Error404
                  Super Moderator
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 19789
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  B4 won't fit your coupe though
                  Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                  Indigo ABY coupé
                  Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                  • Bowie69
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 2675
                    • Country: England

                    #24
                    Not interested

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                    • newsh
                      S2Forum Obsessed
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 16226
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      I think Demon Tweeks do Whiteline ARBs

                      S2 Coupe 3B Project


                      Ur quattro restoration

                      S2 Avant

                      Boost is the new rock and roll!
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                      • bartolomeus
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 1475
                        • Country: Romania

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bowie69
                        For info: http://www.camskill.co.uk/m14b346s43..._89-94_Quattro

                        Pretty good price if you ask me.

                        The webpage doesn't load from Romanian IP address... incredible...
                        Their IT guy must be :corey:

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                        • S2central.net
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 16590
                          • Country: Northern Ireland

                          #27
                          Nah - more like Romanian ISP / DNS isn't finding it - link works perfect from philly airport !
                          Paul Nugent
                          Webmaster http://S2central.net
                          Administrator http://S2forum.com

                          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                          Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                          There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                          • S2central.net
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 16590
                            • Country: Northern Ireland

                            #28
                            Set your DNS to 8.8.8.8 and try again !
                            Paul Nugent
                            Webmaster http://S2central.net
                            Administrator http://S2forum.com

                            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                            Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                            There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                            • bartolomeus
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 1475
                              • Country: Romania

                              #29
                              Originally posted by S2central.net
                              Nah - more like Romanian ISP / DNS isn't finding it - link works perfect from philly airport !
                              Tried already from 3 ISP's... I really think they have blocked all Romania IPs....

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                              • bartolomeus
                                S2Forum Extremist
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 1475
                                • Country: Romania

                                #30
                                Originally posted by S2central.net
                                Set your DNS to 8.8.8.8 and try again !
                                I use Google's DNS all the time

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