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  • K Simmonds
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Dec 2007
    • 7627
    • Country: Wales

    #361
    The vacuum pump is linked to the factory alarm/immobiliser so that could well be the problem.
    1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
    1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
    1994 MTM RS2.
    1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
    2000 B5 TQS.

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    • Tractor Dave
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Dec 2017
      • 5984
      • Country: Wales

      #362
      I'm not convinced its the issue. Apparently the car was running before it was stripped and these wires look like they were cut a long time ago. Tape used to insulate looks the same as the alarm stuff.
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      • hashluck
        S2Forum Enthusiast
        • Jan 2020
        • 108
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #363
        We had the same problem with a Coupe. The central-locklng pump in the boot had stopped working and my business partner disconnected it without me knowing whilst we sourced a replacement. Next time we went to start the car, nothing doing. It took a while for me to make the connection and tracing circuit diagrams! Plugged it back in and hey presto!

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        • Tractor Dave
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Dec 2017
          • 5984
          • Country: Wales

          #364
          Thanks guys. Quick update. Tried with wires connected and made no difference. I have tried testing g4 crank position sensor with led but got nothing. I dont think the voltage will be sufficient to light it up though. Hopefully will get the battery for my oscilloscope today and i can test properly.
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          • johne
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Apr 2007
            • 1405
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #365
            Originally posted by K Simmonds
            The vacuum pump is linked to the factory alarm/immobiliser so that could well be the problem.
            The vacuum pump for the locking is in the same box as the alarm system but there's no link to the factory immobiliser, that's entirely separate.

            I've had a look through the wiring diagrams for the factory alarm (V94) and I can't see any way that the alarm unit can get its oar into the starting of the car. There is the link to the radio but even that can't do any more than set the alarm off ???

            That's true for a S2 but having done more digging for Dave the situation is more complicated on a RS2 which I'm investigating.
            Last edited by johne; 16 March 2025, 22:25. Reason: Update

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            • johne
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Apr 2007
              • 1405
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #366
              The crank position sensor is just a coil of wire around a soft iron core so all it can do is generate a voltage pulse which you'll need your 'scope to see. It's not like G40 which is a Hall sensor but the same as the ABS wheel sensors for this generation of cars.

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              • John.
                S2Forum Fiend
                • May 2012
                • 2615
                • Country: Scotland

                #367
                So if it's not a hall sensor then it's an inductive pulse ?

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                • K Simmonds
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 7627
                  • Country: Wales

                  #368
                  Originally posted by johne

                  The vacuum pump for the locking is in the same box as the alarm system but there's no link to the factory immobiliser, that's entirely separate.

                  I've had a look through the wiring diagrams for the factory alarm (V94) and I can't see any way that the alarm unit can get its oar into the starting of the car. There is the link to the radio but even that can't do any more than set the alarm off ???
                  Thank you for that info Johne, as it happens that's very useful to me.
                  1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                  1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                  1994 MTM RS2.
                  1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                  2000 B5 TQS.

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                  • Tractor Dave
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Dec 2017
                    • 5984
                    • Country: Wales

                    #369
                    A little update
                    A set up my scope



                    I got a good wave from the speed sensor but not so good from the crank position sensor




                    Not so easy to take pics.

                    So while waiting for the new sensor I thought I would test a few basics at the ecu. Then I noticed something.




                    All the brown and yellow wires have been cut and join these black wires. This doesn't look oe to me?


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                    • johne
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 1405
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #370
                      The speed sensor will give many pulses per revolution of the engine (I can't remember how many teeth there are on the flywheel ring gear) but the position sensor only 1 which alone will make it hard to see. The two sensors are identical so you can swap them over to check them out.

                      There are a couple of legitimate crimps in the engine wiring loom. Have you got a copy off S2central or do I need to send you one?
                      Last edited by johne; 16 March 2025, 15:38. Reason: Comment about brown/green wire was wrong.

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                      • Tractor Dave
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Dec 2017
                        • 5984
                        • Country: Wales

                        #371
                        As I thought. The loom disappears behind the air box and i cant see what bodgery continues. This wasn't part of the alarm i removed. There must be another box of tricks hidden behind the airbox
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                        • Tractor Dave
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Dec 2017
                          • 5984
                          • Country: Wales

                          #372
                          Looking at S2 central schematics, these are the ecu earths.
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                          • Tractor Dave
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Dec 2017
                            • 5984
                            • Country: Wales

                            #373
                            Anyone de pinned the ecu connections before? Are they junior power time?
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                            • johne
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 1405
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #374
                              That crimp is OE, it's the major grounding point (138) in the ECU wiring loom with a bunch of brown/yellow and black wires going to it. Would be worth checking though that it is still connected to ground.

                              For future reference:

                              Injector feeds from ECU:

                              Cyl 1: br/sw
                              Cyl 2: br/bl
                              Cyl 3: bg/gn
                              Cyl 4: br/ws
                              Cyl 5: br/ro

                              The returns are all bl/sw which go to a crimp in the loom and then continue as 1 bl/sw to a relay switched battery feed via fuse S28 and also to the ecu itself on pin 37.

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                              • Tractor Dave
                                S2Forum Zealot
                                • Dec 2017
                                • 5984
                                • Country: Wales

                                #375
                                Ok, thanks. Also found this slightly further up.



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