UrS4 2.2T Avant project

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  • Spyform
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    Originally posted by Thuppu
    Your right. Now I have to make another engine, before there was no hurry.
    One thing that i didn't like about your 2.2t engine, that one more block is dead

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  • RichLV
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    If it isn't your daily, then no hurry.

    Pity though. These are stock pistons right?

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  • Thuppu
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    Your right. Now I have to make another engine, before there was no hurry.

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  • Spyform
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    It s all happens for the next step, better/perfect setup. Everything will be fine man!!!

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  • Majorcina
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    So sorry Thomas

    Poslato sa G7-L01 uz pomoć Tapatoka

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  • Thuppu
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    Spark plug number 1 looked normal, the rest was soaked in oil. Took the head off and a quick look told the head was ok, but then the cylinders and pistons... Number 5 looks strange, what do you think..? Have to take apart the bottom end before I can say if the other pistons are ok. The cylinder wall has a damage so need to change the block.

    The 5th cylinder spark plug electrode had lost a small bit, so this may be an glow plug issue... maybe..?





    Also the turbo bearing is dead... Again. Some tiny thing has made a small dent on two bleades, but the bearings has been so bad that the wheel has eaten itself on the comp housing. Strange when the other stock HX40S has hold against beating nicely. Well, this turbo will never again sit in this car.

    Last edited by Thuppu; 27 May 2016, 12:31.

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  • Tille
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    Even in germany we dont pull wot that long. An 600hp car needs arround 20sek from 100kmh to topspeed. If topspeed is reached, we let off throttle.



    If E85 is used, u dont need strong IAT IGN correction. Just do it a little richer if IAT getting worse. EGT will be fine all the way.

    If no ethanol is used be carefull with IAT. If IAT getting worse use Gear/Speed depend boost or/and W/M injection before IAT sensor.

    Greetings from germany. (its fun)
    Last edited by Tille; 26 May 2016, 15:48.

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  • Thuppu
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    Yes. Unlucky I didn' even get power figures above 5krpm. At some point the risk of breaking stock pistons is also rising.

    The plot was promising, but cuts out just when it starts to happen something... But as you see, all plots cuts at ~5krpm(tested 3 different boost modes), so they didn't know how to use the dyno. I didn't see the screen properly as I was sitting on the right seat.

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  • prj
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    Originally posted by Thuppu
    Of course the engine should hold everything. Like full load and boost for an hour. My didn't hold for a minute, I fully understand that is just my fault, bad engine and or not so optimal software. But in the end this engine has hold for quite long time and got some abuse and with not always so good mapping. It's just an engine build out of "scrap" parts, incl. used rings, bearings and gaskets... There are not many times you can make 5th gear WOT to redline on street, so I have never tested it before. 4th gear WOT has been tested and the engine did hold that, but that takes propably 5sec from 3rd gear shift.
    1 minute is a very long time. 1 minute means the engine is autobahn-proof.
    30 seconds is enough for anything you CAN do outside a german autobahn in early morning hours with no traffic.

    I didn't clock the dyno pull, but it's the longest one I have ever seen. Usually they have taken about 10-15 sec. This was propably something like 30sec or more.
    30 sec it should hold if you want to go for 1 mile race.

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  • Thuppu
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    Of course the engine should hold everything. Like full load and boost for an hour. My didn't hold for a minute, I fully understand that is just my fault, bad engine and or not so optimal software. But in the end this engine has hold for quite long time and got some abuse and with not always so good mapping. It's just an engine build out of "scrap" parts, incl. used rings, bearings and gaskets... There are not many times you can make 5th gear WOT to redline on street, so I have never tested it before. 4th gear WOT has been tested and the engine did hold that, but that takes propably 5sec from 3rd gear shift.

    I didn't clock the dyno pull, but it's the longest one I have ever seen. Usually they have taken about 10-15 sec. This was propably something like 30sec or more.

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  • prj
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    Originally posted by Error404
    Isn't this the case with any IAT though? Are you saying that because of E85s latent heat capacity you can't realistically generate an intake temp that will cause problems?
    Gasoline does not cool nearly as much as E85 does. So you can use the IAT there, but on E85 it's irrelevant.
    This is also why E85 at richer AFR's does not hurt performance - it cools the air even more, so that offsets the performance penalty from richer mix.

    So with E85 the IAT sensor really should only need to be used to calculate air mass?
    Can't calculate air mass from it - again for that you need a sensor that would be somewhere in the port.

    It is very different tuning on E85 than on other fuels.
    Easiest with a MAF of course...

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  • Error404
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    Originally posted by prj
    The IAT is irrelevant. You are measuring it in the wrong place.
    The timing pull is also irrelevant for this same very reason and should not even be used.

    The real IAT is when the E85 hits the IM from the injector and cools the temperature down by 50C or more

    Isn't this the case with any IAT though? Are you saying that because of E85s latent heat capacity you can't realistically generate an intake temp that will cause problems?
    So with E85 the IAT sensor really should only need to be used to calculate air mass?

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  • A80Avant
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    I'll agree to that sure.

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  • prj
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    Originally posted by A80Avant
    Maha dynos and any dynos are instruments. If you don't know how to use them then you are useless even if the intrument is brilliant. I agree but I have yet to see 1 maha owner that knows what they are doing with the machine.
    Can't blame the machine when it is being operated by a monkey.

    P.S. I have personal experience with operating a Maha dyno and you can set the pull to be as long or as short as you desire.

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  • A80Avant
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    Maha dynos and any dynos are instruments. If you don't know how to use them then you are useless even if the intrument is brilliant. I agree but I have yet to see 1 maha owner that knows what they are doing with the machine or any dyno results that have meaning on a 4 wheel drive high powered car for that matter.

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