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  • V6quattro
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Sep 2008
    • 949
    • Country: Netherlands

    #406
    Oky so there are more bearings damaged.

    Your wear looks like the bearing at the half of this page right?
    Learn how heat, stress, and corrosion can cause engine bearing failure. Find out how to diagnose and prevent it from happening in the future.
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    • diesel des
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Feb 2004
      • 3896

      #407
      Would you say it was wiped? Most bearings were ok maybe a bit stressed.



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      • V6quattro
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Sep 2008
        • 949
        • Country: Netherlands

        #408
        No i would say it looks more like the 'fatigue' photo. But I must admit I'm not that good at this kind of stuff.
        1360kg/600Whp Avant 0-200km/h 9sec

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        • Error404
          Super Moderator
          • Mar 2007
          • 19789
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #409
          Did you measure the BE bore & crush height of the bearings on installation? Also are you sure you're map isnt knocking?
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          • diesel des
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Feb 2004
            • 3896

            #410
            Don't have the numbers to had but everything looked good with tolerances between the middle and larger end which should be perfect for a powerful build. The map is only running 1 bar boost and an afr of 0.7 and retarded timing compared to my other stroker so should be very safe.

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            • Error404
              Super Moderator
              • Mar 2007
              • 19789
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #411
              Bearing fit is really important to prevent them spinning - I would check this on the other rods. You want about 0.1mm for our size big ends. Oil clearances can be perfect but if the shells are loose in the bore then they don't conform to shape properly and there isn't enough friction so they are liable to spin
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              • diesel des
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Feb 2004
                • 3896

                #412
                Originally posted by Error404
                Bearing fit is really important to prevent them spinning - I would check this on the other rods. You want about 0.1mm for our size big ends. Oil clearances can be perfect but if the shells are loose in the bore then they don't conform to shape properly and there isn't enough friction so they are liable to spin
                It was only oil clearances that I have measured building any engine. Live and learn. To measure crush are you torqueing the rod bolts with bearing fitted but not on the crank and then loosening 1 bolt and measuring the deflection between the 2 halves?

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                • Error404
                  Super Moderator
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 19789
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #413
                  Yup that's right mate
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                  • diesel des
                    S2Forum Possessed
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 3896

                    #414
                    And even with the location dowls they open up ok?

                    Also thinking I need to change my new expensive oil cooler too. Just in case the oil thermostat was letting a trickle of hot dirty oil in. Which it must of been. Crap another 300 quid...

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                    • Error404
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 19789
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #415
                      Yup, the radial force is really quite strong when the size is right- this force is what stops the shells spinning in service. You can swap the shells round to match up the halves to even up the crush across all the journals / pins
                      Yeah definitely replace the cooler after a failure unfortunately
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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #416
                        Originally posted by diesel des
                        It was only oil clearances that I have measured building any engine. Live and learn. To measure crush are you torqueing the rod bolts with bearing fitted but not on the crank and then loosening 1 bolt and measuring the deflection between the 2 halves?

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                        I have also only ever done plastigauge before for bearing clearance.
                        Can you explain that better ?
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                        • diesel des
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 3896

                          #417
                          Originally posted by S2central.net
                          I have also only ever done plastigauge before for bearing clearance.
                          Can you explain that better ?
                          Does this help. Basicly fit the shells to the rod while on the bench. Tighten up the bolts to torque. Then loosen on bolt and measure how much the cap opens at the slack end.

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                          • diesel des
                            S2Forum Possessed
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 3896

                            #418
                            Can also repeat on the big ends too I suppose before the cranks fitted.

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                            • Error404
                              Super Moderator
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 19789
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #419
                              Mains and big ends. Very important job, often overlooked
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                              • S2central.net
                                Retired OG Mod
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 16590
                                • Country: Northern Ireland

                                #420
                                OK - thanks Des, but what is the spec for how much is too much when you do that ?
                                I am not really getting it though - why test clearance with one bolt loosened ?
                                Paul Nugent
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                                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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