All MAFs are equal (but some are more equal than others)

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  • Rusty
    Super Moderator
    • Jun 2004
    • 18953
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    All MAFs are equal (but some are more equal than others)

    Just been playing with my cone filter setup and using my old MAF. I bought a secondhand MAF a few years ago and for one reason or another, I've been using it for a while now. Interestingly enough, my old MAF made the car feel quite flat and it had nowhere near the zing that it had with the one I just removed! I remember this being the reverse when I fitted my secondhand MAF, I think this is why I kept it, the car drove better on it!

    Hardly suprising I guess, there are design tolerances for all these things and I should really have reset the ECU.

    My question is, what does the ECU look for when deciding what fuelling to give on a WOT MAF signal/voltage (as there's no lambada feedback) and does it alter for different MAFs while driving at part load, such that over time, any differences will be ironed out as it normalises the signal at part load and interpolates to WOT...

    OR

    Does the ECU take the MAF at WOT as gospel and thus it fuels to the new MAF's characteristics and doesn't evert change this?
    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss
  • denniselbows
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Mar 2007
    • 740
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    At wot dosen't the ecu bypass the maf and go on purly the map that has been written for wot I'm sure that was mentioned in another thread once
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    • prj
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Mar 2010
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      #3
      There is no separate WOT map, also the MAF is always used.
      The lambda is the one that is bypassed at WOT.
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      • Rusty
        Super Moderator
        • Jun 2004
        • 18953
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Seen a reference to this effect today by DieselDes on his 2871 project...



        Originally posted by diesel des
        Paul, just to let you know that the gt2871r on my car eats maf sensors. That's 3 now in 20 k miles. And each new one gives a slightly different afr at wot... Cheers des
        Would be good to log MAF signals and see what the difference actually is. Slovenian MAF will be returned to active duty next week, I don't like cone filters as much as my angry airbox :mischeif:
        Last edited by Rusty; 4 June 2010, 22:28.
        Cheers'en, AndyC
        1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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        • s2_bo
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Oct 2005
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          • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

          #5
          Andy your Maf was prob just dirty, saying that they do differ. I have stripped 4 mafs in the last month and one was internaly diffrent to the other 3. Also the ones with the diagnostic plug points are diffrent on the circut boards. Maybe that also efectted your signals.

          Like you say a ecu reset is a good idea on each change.
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          • PaulJ
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            • Jun 2008
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            #6
            Ecu Reset

            How do you reset the ecu ?
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            • s2_bo
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              • Oct 2005
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              #7
              The quickest way I know off is via the fuse box. Just remove the two fuses with the red MOTOR cover for a couple of minutes.
              Then refit them and it should be reset.
              HTH.
              91 S2 coupé - RIP
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              • Rusty
                Super Moderator
                • Jun 2004
                • 18953
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Reset the ECU and it does seem to have made a difference, car is flying on the cone filter, no feeling of heat soak or lag
                Cheers'en, AndyC
                1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                • newsh
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                  • Aug 2003
                  • 16226
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Mihnea told me he doesn't like mapping a car on a brand new MAF as they change in the first few hundred miles.

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                  • Rusty
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 18953
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Is that a change in hardware or software tho...
                    Cheers'en, AndyC
                    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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