AAN into Ur quattro, 400-450 Bhp Target

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  • DJones
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jun 2005
    • 2020
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #286
    Originally posted by 20Vcqdriver
    I was looking at a 7A exhaust cam, read all the threads and still not sure, a dyno graph of before and after and a before and after point of view from those that have done it would be good..
    I have seen one somewhere but cant remember where....

    I'm pretty sure that the summary was 7A exhaust cam introduced more lag with higher top end (which you would expect with more overlap) and the standard aan ex cam was obviously the opposite.

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    • 20Vcqdriver
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jun 2007
      • 829
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #287
      Originally posted by DJones
      I have seen one somewhere but cant remember where....

      I'm pretty sure that the summary was 7A exhaust cam introduced more lag with higher top end (which you would expect with more overlap) and the standard aan ex cam was obviously the opposite.
      I am amazed that just a few degrees and more lift has so much differnce, According to my data the cam opens at the same point but closes just 6 degrees later with I think it was 1mm more lift. Perhaps an adjustable gear on the exhaust cam could be designed to 'fine tune' for the best compromise
      1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
      2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
      2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #288
        Just stick with stock cams.
        I've tried so many things, and always come back to the stock setup in the end for drivability.
        At least under 500hp.

        Yes, you might win some up top, but in reality, it's always a tradeoff.
        http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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        • URquattroGus
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Aug 2007
          • 547
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #289
          So, head is off and away for porting and reworking of the valve seats etc

          Wagner manifold will be port matched too.

          I am also going to look at having one of the intercooler end tanks re welded for a lesser angle to improve the inlet tract a little.

          Once the head is fitted back on, should I go for a remap?

          I was thinking about either buying an Innovate LM2 and checking AFR's or going to a local rolling road and getting them to do it. Presumably as long as AFR's look to be in order it should be ok and avoid yet another remap?
          Angus

          (1984 ur quattro)

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          • quattrostyle
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Oct 2006
            • 6229
            • Country: Netherlands

            #290
            to get the best out of the engine a remap is highly recommended after the headwork I'd say.

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            • URquattroGus
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Aug 2007
              • 547
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #291
              Nice shiny head, now blasted, ported and skimmed, with valve seats given a multi angle cut too, cap caps polished also; thanks to JP aka JNL Racing He also ported and matched my wagner inlet manifold.















              Can't wait to get to get this back on the car on and see what difference it makes
              Last edited by URquattroGus; 25 May 2012, 06:17.
              Angus

              (1984 ur quattro)

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              • diesel des
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Feb 2004
                • 3896

                #292
                Good lookin head. Will be interesting so see what difference it makes. But I still think there is a restriction in your inlet or intercooler system. I couldn't find a diff gauge that would be suitable for testing, the ones I had were 3 bar diff.

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                • URquattroGus
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 547
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #293
                  Thanks for looking anyway des.

                  I have bitten the bullet and ordered an Innovate LM2 wideband logger (basic kit version with ODB), inductive rpm pickup lead and one map sensor.

                  This should allow me to log AFR's, rpm and boost.

                  If I add a second map sensor this will allow me to measure the pressure drop and actually log it.

                  something like that anyway
                  Angus

                  (1984 ur quattro)

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                  • newsh
                    S2Forum Obsessed
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 16226
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #294
                    Awesome headwork, looks fantastic

                    S2 Coupe 3B Project


                    Ur quattro restoration

                    S2 Avant

                    Boost is the new rock and roll!
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                    • URquattroGus
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 547
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #295
                      Well, I managed to get a differential pressure guage from ebay, it's a BMF at 6" accross, but looks like a quality item and should be easy to read!

                      Should allow me to get some easier measurements of the pressure drop between the turbo and inlet.

                      Surely air velocity come into it too?
                      Attached Files
                      Angus

                      (1984 ur quattro)

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                      • diesel des
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3896

                        #296
                        Sexy guage. Will be interesting what delta p you find.

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                        • URquattroGus
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 547
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #297
                          One last Jitter before the head is fully back on, how about lobbing in an RS2 exhaust cam??

                          I have searched on the subject, but still unsure!

                          I understand that a few other items need to be changed to do this?
                          Angus

                          (1984 ur quattro)

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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #298
                            Are you having it remapped?

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                            • diesel des
                              S2Forum Possessed
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3896

                              #299
                              I think stock cams work best for torque which is what you want I think? Rs2 or 7a exhaust cam helps up top, but hurts down low.

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                              • Jamo
                                Retired OG Mod
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 21750
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #300
                                RS2 exhaust cam does not hurt low down like the 7a cam

                                However the RS2 cam does seem to induce surge especially on garrett turbos, I would stick with stock.

                                You can confirm this with Doug at MRC

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