Hydraulic to Vaccum servo conversion

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  • Pirvu Eugen
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Apr 2007
    • 1978
    • Country: Romania

    #136
    I spoke with LhdKid about this issue and he suggested to make an excentric pedal adapter
    to maintain the same piston travel as before...because installing the pin higher on the pedal will shorten the piston travel..and i dont want this.
    Last edited by Pirvu Eugen; 25 March 2017, 12:07.

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    • diesel des
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Feb 2004
      • 3896

      #137
      I gave up on the twin servos after having so many leak in my urs4. Using an a6 single vacuum unit now.

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      • Pirvu Eugen
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Apr 2007
        • 1978
        • Country: Romania

        #138
        Off... yes... the dual diaphragm one is more complicated and prone to failure as the single one..
        Thank you Des for feedback!
        Last edited by Pirvu Eugen; 26 March 2017, 06:53.

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        • LHD_Kid
          S2Forum Possessed
          • May 2006
          • 3695
          • Home: England Current: Belgium

          #139
          Are the twin ones so prone to failure when they are in their original habitat? I mean, does an S8 or RS6 suffer a lot from servo failure, or is it just when they are messed with?
          Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Turbo....undergoing major changes.....
          S2 Coupe... bit easier off the line...
          '03 ZX12-R daily hack.... lots of nice bolt ons...

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          • Pirvu Eugen
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Apr 2007
            • 1978
            • Country: Romania

            #140
            Dont think so... i searched and nothing came up. Not as the new mercedes ones.
            I think that poppet valve rubber thing is not working ok with high rod angles.

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            • LHD_Kid
              S2Forum Possessed
              • May 2006
              • 3695
              • Home: England Current: Belgium

              #141
              Originally posted by Pirvu Eugen
              Dont think so... i searched and nothing came up. Not as the new mercedes ones.
              I think that poppet valve rubber thing is not working ok with high rod angles.
              So, the answer really is to replace the standard fork which connects to the pedal with an eccentric one which can move the pivot point over the required amount to keep the pushrod going straight into the servo unit.

              Looks like its between 5 and 10mm, will measure more accurately next week and get something made.

              I wonder if just doing this will work, without having to swap the booster out.........
              Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Turbo....undergoing major changes.....
              S2 Coupe... bit easier off the line...
              '03 ZX12-R daily hack.... lots of nice bolt ons...

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              • LHD_Kid
                S2Forum Possessed
                • May 2006
                • 3695
                • Home: England Current: Belgium

                #142
                I've just measured the coupe... the deflection of the rod from straight is around 1mm

                I don't think this issue affects the conversion on an S2 for example.....
                Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Turbo....undergoing major changes.....
                S2 Coupe... bit easier off the line...
                '03 ZX12-R daily hack.... lots of nice bolt ons...

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                • Pirvu Eugen
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 1978
                  • Country: Romania

                  #143
                  I measured now at my 200 and the rod deflection is 10mm.
                  This explains why this failure happens only in C3..C4 chassis with these servos.

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                  • audiman
                    S2Forum Freak
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 4827
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #144
                    This thread is a mess!!! The OP I assume, as its not stated, is converting a LHD car?? Also, multiple people taking about fitting different servos on LHD and RHD non-S2 models!!!!

                    Can someone give a parts list required to convert a RHD S2 car to vacuum servo??

                    I am assuming that servo 8a2612105a is the required part and then there is the mounting bracket, is that or not required?
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                    • A80Avant
                      S2Forum Obsessed
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 10873
                      • Country: Greece

                      #145
                      Originally posted by audiman
                      This thread is a mess!!! The OP I assume, as its not stated, is converting a LHD car?? Also, multiple people taking about fitting different servos on LHD and RHD non-S2 models!!!!

                      Can someone give a parts list required to convert a RHD S2 car to vacuum servo??

                      I am assuming that servo 8a2612105a is the required part and then there is the mounting bracket, is that or not required?
                      When I posted this I did use the document from the US, so an LHD car which you can see from the attached pdf. I didn't follow what others wrote about the RHD process, sorry

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                      • Bowie69
                        S2Forum Fiend
                        • Nov 2013
                        • 2675
                        • Country: England

                        #146
                        B3 no, B4 yes, I think.

                        When I got mine for my B3 CQ20V I asked that the servo came with the bracket and any pipework to save hassle, however I didn't need the bracket, as my Coupe had one already fitted

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                        • Waje
                          S2Forum Fanatic
                          • Nov 2016
                          • 95
                          • Country: Spain

                          #147
                          Originally posted by Horsty
                          Hi Guys,

                          sometime last year i fitted the a8 d2 brake booster and master brake cylinder in my 7A quattro coupe and i thought it might be interesting for one or the other...

                          7x8 inch brake booster combined with the 25,4mm master brake cylinder.
                          the other option would be the 26,9mm i guess. but that would be overkill.


                          adapter plate needs to be fabricated. otherwise the brake booster will be leaky.




                          a6 v6 hydraulic steering pump. quite the same pump used for a long time at audi.
                          a4 b5/b6 or B4 v6 is also the same. bolt on directly to the 7A bracket.


                          brake booster without grommet. you see these tubes coming out of the brake booster for the bolts.
                          the "tubes" are not the same level as the brake booster surface. thats the reason for the adapter plate i made.


                          adapter plate alignment.


                          difference between the hydraulic spacer (short one) and the vacuum spacer (long one).


                          adapter rod and the grommet mounted.


                          adapter plate, vacuum spacer, adapter rod and that kind of fork mounted.


                          this adapter needs to be fabricated to increase the rod length:


                          ready for installation:
                          You can not see the photos, could you upload them again? I'm interested in making the change.

                          REGARDS

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                          • Tom_
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 1301
                            • Country: Czech Republic

                            #148
                            Guys, i read whole topic, but i am not clever from it I have CQ 20V 7A B3 . I want to change hydraulic to vacuum booster. Someone said A8 D2 , another A8 D3. What is the best solution and not expensive and hard to find? I know that master cylinder could be used oem 7A which is 25.4mm but that vacuum booster bothers me
                            Audi Coupe Quattro 2.3 20V

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                            • Bowie69
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 2675
                              • Country: England

                              #149
                              This one, done it myself on same car : 8A2 612 105A

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                              • rxl
                                S2Forum Extremist
                                • May 2012
                                • 1909
                                • Country: Germany

                                #150
                                i used brake booster and brake cilinder from audi a8 d2

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