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  • #76
    I have a mechanical solution to V71!

    Don't laugh

    Here is V71



    What if we use V71 to operate a rotary switch ?

    After all we only need a pair of contacts.

    Just a thought

    cheers

    rich
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    1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
    2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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    • #77
      Another update on the spreadsheet for now... When I get organised I will put this properly onto S2central.net along with johne's tremendous document.

      Note - the references to B75 and B76 on the INTRO sheet are for schematics for aircon as found in the wiring area of S2central.net

      This stuff can drive you bit mad so if anyone spots any mistakes I would welcome that... If I look at this in a months time it will look like someone else's work anyway - LOL
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      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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      • #78
        Originally posted by rj scotty View Post
        I have a mechanical solution to V71!

        Don't laugh

        Here is V71



        What if we use V71 to operate a rotary switch ?

        After all we only need a pair of contacts.

        Just a thought

        cheers

        rich
        I tell thee... if V71 just moves between open and closed then it would be easy to create a simple circuit that the CCU can drive the existing N63 with.

        I guess that V71 operates off 5V and not 12V like N63 - still easy enough though.

        Also - tell me resistance 'seen' by CCU pin B17 into G113 in open and close positions.
        Paul Nugent
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        1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
        2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
        2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

        Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

        There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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        • #79
          I'll do a rough design here based on some simple relay(s) and state any assumptions along the way...

          A check on V71 voltage to open vs close and those G113 values will be mighty.
          Paul Nugent
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          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

          Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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          • #80
            Originally posted by rj scotty View Post
            I've started !

            Removed some key components from the s2, glove box, scuttle trim pollen filter.

            Had a good look at the evap housing and compared it to the A4 unit on the floor in my office. They are remarkable similar and the recirc flap has the same orientation.

            I still think it my be possible to install the V71 onto the s2 evap housing.

            Dose any body have a picture of the end of an s2 evap housing ?

            Here is the A4 unit

            I've had a look at the best picture I've got and it's not conclusive. My sense is that you may well be able to fit V71, even if the fixing locations aren't there by using silicon glue/and/or making your own fixings but the bigger problem could be that there isn't room for V71 when you try to fit it back in the car

            I remember the housing is very tight up to the bodywork so it would be good if you could have a look before you remove your old unit and push your hand up where V71 will be to gauge if there's room.

            As you suggest, an easy fallback is to mount a microswitch on V71, hide V71 with microswitch on top of the evaporator housing and use the microswitch to trigger N63.

            Hope you read this before you lift the unit out!

            John

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            • #81
              Cheers John I will check. space sure is tight there.

              Paul V71 is definatley 5V.

              Gone on wiring clours for resistance.

              Open:

              wi/li to ro/ge= 55
              wi/li to br/ws= 1000
              br/we to ro/ge= 1000

              closed:

              wi/li to ro/ge= 1651
              wi/li to bl/ws= 808
              br/ws to ro/ge= 1033
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              "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
              BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

              1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
              1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
              2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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              • #82
                Delayed by kids n dogs but here goes... should be easy if you can cope with a couple of lil relays to do the conversion from V71/G113 to N63 and keep the CCU happy. The logic needs to be checked with regards voltage levels seen on B17 when flap is open or closed. See the note...
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                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                • #83
                  SOmething odd on your measurements there - or a typo... resistance between ro/ge and br/ws should be the same in both cases.

                  Tell you what - better to measure voltage at B17 in OPEN and CLOSE position - needs to have 5V applied across ro/ge and br/ws... ro/ge is +ve

                  Paul

                  Originally posted by rj scotty View Post
                  Cheers John I will check. space sure is tight there.

                  Paul V71 is definatley 5V.

                  Gone on wiring clours for resistance.

                  Open:

                  wi/li to ro/ge= 55
                  wi/li to br/ws= 1000
                  br/we to ro/ge= 1000

                  closed:

                  wi/li to ro/ge= 1651
                  wi/li to bl/ws= 808
                  br/ws to ro/ge= 1033
                  Paul Nugent
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                  1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                  2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                  2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                  Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                  There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                  • #84
                    Tweaked and with notes on basis on assumption that OPEN places ~5V into B17 and 0V when CLOSED. Logic could be wrong way round - just swap pins A & B though. Ignore previous version.
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                    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                    Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                    There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                    • #85
                      Open= 4.55V
                      closed= 0.5V
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                      "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                      BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                      1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                      1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                      2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by S2central.net View Post
                        Tweaked and with notes on basis on assumption that OPEN places ~5V into B17 and 0V when CLOSED. Logic could be wrong way round - just swap pins A & B though. Ignore previous version.
                        Paul, I'm not sure this is going to work because as I understand it the CCU energises D5 & D13, one +ve the other -ve to drive the motor in a particular direction until it gets position confirmation - say fully closed i.e. recirc position from the voltage on B17 (4.5v) - at which point the CCU stops driving the motor via D5 & D13.
                        When the CCU wants to open the recirc flap the process is reversed until B17 reads (0.5v).
                        The consequence is that with your circuit N63 will only be activated during both of the flap transition periods and won't ever hold long term in the recirc position.

                        Actually, it may just oscilllate as JQ2 pulls in and out and the CCU thinks it's made the end point, cuts off drive to D5 & D13 which will cause JQ2 to change state at which point the CCU will cut in again to drive D5 & D13 and so on.

                        I believe the easier way around this is either to go the microswitch closed by V71 route or just use a CCU from MY '96 or older!

                        John
                        Last edited by johne; 9 September 2010, 23:26.

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                        • #87
                          From my experimentation John is right here
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                          "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                          BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                          1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                          1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                          2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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                          • #88
                            Some sort of latch circuit might work round it or a timer element that can fake the G113 aspect.

                            My96 donor would be easier alright
                            Paul Nugent
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                            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                            Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                            There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                            • #89
                              It sure would.

                              The reason I went for 1997/1998 variant is because that was what was available.

                              Now I'm determined to make it work

                              The best route is the V71 on s2 evap route, we will see.

                              Many thanks guys the dash should be out by tomorrow.
                              sigpic
                              "For what you spent on that you could have brought a new car"
                              BUT I DON'T WANT A NEW CAR!

                              1995 S2 Avant, Volcano Black
                              1982 VW Golf Mk1, primer yellow, will be finished one day, maybe.
                              2003 VW T4 long nose X pack, (has become project)

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                              • #90
                                Did you ever lift the tin lid inside the CCU - if there is an EPROM in there it is possible to put MY96 s/w in there and make it drive the D6 output ?

                                You need to get VAGCOM talking to it somehow anyway to code it properly - and there is at least a chance it can be coded in a way to activate D6...

                                That all said - good luck finding a solution for V71/G113 in the B4 housing. Maybe you will be grand with some double sided sticky tape and a pair of Val's old knickers
                                Paul Nugent
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                                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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