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  • andy10v
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Mar 2009
    • 5996
    • Country: Scotland

    #1291
    Originally posted by domas
    what? since when 7a and 3b gears are different?
    Left one does not seem like it was 7a/3b gear.

    this is how 3b/7a gear looks like: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-I5-20...-/221181943104
    note the angle of gear teeth

    it looks like 10v distributor on the left. can you please check again which was from your 3b and which was a loan distributor from 7a?
    The distributor on the left is definitely the one that has been fitted to my 3B since I got it in 2009

    I thought 3B and 7A dizzy was the same with a different rotor arm, also people fit the same metal gears, and fit 7a cams to 3bs.

    The AAN with the cam position sensor in the dizzy location has the fine gear drive (3B left, AAN right)

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    So is my car an oddball? Or has a mish mash dizzy?
    Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

    Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
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    • newsh
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      • Aug 2003
      • 16226
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #1292
      Good ol 3B, parts bin special




      Hook an LED up to your dizzy and crank it over.
      Last edited by newsh; 17 May 2015, 17:57.

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      • domas
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        • Oct 2014
        • 307
        • Country: Lithuania

        #1293
        I am not too aware about AAN cams and tuna can hall sensor.

        But again 7a and 3b must be the same. Either I am very mistaken or... lets wait for some more replies.

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        • andy10v
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Mar 2009
          • 5996
          • Country: Scotland

          #1294
          Originally posted by newsh
          Good ol 3B, parts bin special




          Hook an LED up to your dizzy and crank it over.
          Just using up stock of cam and dizzy gears? As long as they were fitted as a pair it was fine.

          Thanks for the link, I need to order some LEDs, I will try this with the dizzy off the car, ignition on and turn the rotor arm by hand.

          Peel back the rubber boot on this hall sensor connector and connect a DMM to terminals 1 and 2 with the ignition key on. The voltage measured across pins 1 and 2 will be ~4 volts when the distributor hall sensor is shielded by the metal cover (hat) on the distributor shaft. The voltage should be between 0-0.5 volts when the hall sensor is not shielded by the metal hat. You can remove the distributor cap, and slowly rotate the engine around while you watch the voltage measured at pins 1 and 2.
          Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

          Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
          Sold ABY-stock

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          • andy10v
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2009
            • 5996
            • Country: Scotland

            #1295
            Pin 1-pin 3 4.99volts
            Pin 1-cam cover 5.02v

            Pin1-Pin 2
            0.11v Hall sensor shielded
            4.88v Hall sensor un sheilded
            Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

            Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
            Sold ABY-stock

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            • andy10v
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Mar 2009
              • 5996
              • Country: Scotland

              #1296
              So mine seems to be inverted from what SJM says?
              Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

              Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
              Sold ABY-stock

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              • newsh
                S2Forum Obsessed
                • Aug 2003
                • 16226
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #1297
                Originally posted by andy10v
                So mine seems to be inverted from what SJM says?
                Sorry bud, I think the 200TQ is wired differently to the 20valve

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                • andy10v
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 5996
                  • Country: Scotland

                  #1298
                  But as I get a low voltage, then high voltage at the window the hall sensor appears to be working ok?

                  Crank sensors next?
                  Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                  Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                  Sold ABY-stock

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                  • newsh
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 16226
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #1299
                    Yeah seems like it has output.

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                    • newsh
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                      • Aug 2003
                      • 16226
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #1300
                      Did you actually do the really basic check for fuel and spark?

                      Injector in a jar / plug laying on the cam cover?

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                      • Wizard-of-OD
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                        • Jan 2004
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                        #1301
                        Originally posted by domas
                        But again 7a and 3b must be the same
                        They are. I swaped a brand new 7A distributor complete into my 3B.

                        As for AAN cams early, that is the first time I have seen that and I dismantled 2 1992 AAN motors!
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                        • Error404
                          Super Moderator
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 19789
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #1302
                          The hall sensor on the ABY is reversed compared to the 3B according to the schematics. Not sure if it matters.
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                          • twoqu
                            S2Forum Possessed
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 3103

                            #1303
                            Just for clarity the ABY Motronic Manual shows the following:
                            Pin 1 goes to Pin 12 in ecu which is the 5V reference out.
                            Pin 2 goes to Pin 8 in ecu which is signal back in.
                            Pin 3 goes to Pin 19 in ecu which is the ground.
                            There is supposed to be 4.5-5.5V between Pin 1 & 3.
                            There is supposed to be 4.3-5.2V between Pin 2 & 3.
                            So its only Pin 2 that should change when the window is opened or closed.
                            As Error as said it appears that the pin assignmemnts were reversed from the 3B!
                            However we know that the engine started so it seems likely that the wiring was correct.
                            I remembered this:

                            Unfortunately most of us don't have a few £K to drop on this piece of kit. But if you read carefully it says the engine would start sometimes when letting go of the ign key and even when it started it basically would run for 5mins before dying again. So that seems consistant with your issues. It also ties in with that hall sensor out of sync code you had.
                            So perhaps its a mechanical rather than electrical issue.

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                            • martinws
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                              • Oct 2008
                              • 917
                              • Country: Scotland

                              #1304
                              Man this sucks that you still haven't got to the bottom of it. Apart from my ABY ecu I don't think I have anything else of use to you. If you are still having issues I can maybe pop through and lend a fresh pair of eyes and put our heads together.

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                              • twoqu
                                S2Forum Possessed
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 3103

                                #1305
                                Maybe cam pulley has sheared?

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