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  • sidrick
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jan 2011
    • 1342
    • Country: Scotland

    #1786
    Nice pics Looks like you'll have your work cut out for a while to come.

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    • Greg_S
      Administrator
      • Jul 2003
      • 12430
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #1787
      Excellent weekend away had by all then. Shame about the mishap in the ditch.

      Id keep hold of your RS2 airbox for a while as you may find its performing better with it than you think.
      Greg

      S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

      '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #1788
        Do not remove the RS2 airbox.

        1. I am 99% sure it is not causing any inlet restriction.
        2. A cone filter on the MAF will FUBAR your tune.
        3. A cone filter will grab hot air from the engine bay and your power will drop.

        If you think there might be a restriction, tee a gauge into the intake hose and measure it before taking radical action.
        http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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        • Sonic
          Administrator
          • Jul 2006
          • 5514
          • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

          #1789
          Originally posted by prj
          Do not remove the RS2 airbox.
          I thought that was what you meant?

          Originally posted by Sonic
          Intake... hmmm. Well it's running wagner IC with reverse inlet, and the head is fully ported, so is completely optimised at every point apart from the airbox which is an obvious restriction with the 4" inlet along with the RS4 MAF diameter and the turbo inlet.
          Originally posted by prj
          Go for 7A cams, inlet and exhaust. You will lose your surge and you will have noticeably more top-end power. Put them to stock marks, no adjustment.

          Trust me, it will work just fine.
          Originally posted by prj
          1. I am 99% sure it is not causing any inlet restriction.
          2. A cone filter on the MAF will FUBAR your tune.
          3. A cone filter will grab hot air from the engine bay and your power will drop.

          If you think there might be a restriction, tee a gauge into the intake hose and measure it before taking radical action.
          The idea would have been to put another heat shield between the exhaust/turbo and the inlet and direct airflow over it, but if it's going to make it worse then there is no point!
          S2Forum.com Administrator

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          • prj
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2010
            • 6308
            • Country: Estonia

            #1790
            Measure the pressure drop pre-turbo if you are so inclined, I am quite sure that there is no restriction there.
            http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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            • A80Avant
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Sep 2005
              • 10873
              • Country: Greece

              #1791
              Originally posted by MikQuattro
              Here's a shot right after a bath....

              Unless your car ate a small bird in the air box through your spirited driving sessions

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              • Error404
                Super Moderator
                • Mar 2007
                • 19789
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #1792
                Originally posted by prj
                Measure the pressure drop pre-turbo if you are so inclined, I am quite sure that there is no restriction there.
                Slightly OT but Dmitri can you share your thoughts on the ballpark hp level that the RS2 airbox can support?
                Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                Indigo ABY coupé
                Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                • prj
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 6308
                  • Country: Estonia

                  #1793
                  Any turbo that fits with it in place
                  http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                  • Error404
                    Super Moderator
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 19789
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #1794
                    haha, thats good enough for me, thanks
                    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                    Indigo ABY coupé
                    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                    • rynaqui
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 2752
                      • Country: Malta

                      #1795
                      I love the upgrade of the RS2 airbox vs the ABY one, makes such a difference
                      1996 S2 ABY Silver

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                      • Sonic
                        Administrator
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 5514
                        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                        #1796
                        Originally posted by Error404
                        Slightly OT but Dmitri can you share your thoughts on the ballpark hp level that the RS2 airbox can support?
                        Originally posted by prj
                        Any turbo that fits with it in place
                        S2Forum.com Administrator

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                        • andy10v
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 5996
                          • Country: Scotland

                          #1797
                          Originally posted by rynaqui
                          I love the upgrade of the RS2 airbox vs the ABY one, makes such a difference
                          What difference did you notice?
                          Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                          Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                          Sold ABY-stock

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                          • rynaqui
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 2752
                            • Country: Malta

                            #1798
                            Pickup is much better than with ABY box, even the lag is reduced in the sense that response when on and off boost is much more immediate and feels that much more urgent

                            Well mostly I've noticed the added intake noise as well, I quite like it
                            1996 S2 ABY Silver

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                            • prj
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 6308
                              • Country: Estonia

                              #1799
                              Originally posted by rynaqui
                              Pickup is much better than with ABY box, even the lag is reduced in the sense that response when on and off boost is much more immediate and feels that much more urgent
                              It's all in your head.
                              The only place where there could be any difference whatsoever, is on top of the rpm range, and that's only in theory.
                              The reason being the engine is an air pump, and all limitations of flow on the intake side show up where flow is the highest, that is at and past the peak hp point, which will be around 6000rpm.
                              http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                              • Sonic
                                Administrator
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 5514
                                • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                                #1800
                                Planned for the very near future...

                                Front brakes - either need to have the calipers rebuilt if there is a sticky piston or might have warped a disc already after my Wales trip.

                                Gearbox - need to drop it and open it to look but likely requires new synchro's to stop the grinding from 3rd to 2nd also exhibited on the Wales trip.

                                Flywheel - going to swap to a lightened 5.2kg billeted steel flywheel supplied by VRS whilst the box is out, replacing my heavy dual-mass unit but keeping the Southbend clutch i already have.

                                Cams / pulley - i'll be swapping the rs2 exhaust cam and vernier pulley for 7a cams and aby pulley. The rs2 setup has caused me no end of hassle and money and i believe to be the cause of my "low" top-end figures.

                                WMI - I have an Aquamist kit that'll be fitted for water-meth injection, bringing down IAT's and providing a little extra oomph!

                                Inlet - currently i have an RS2 airbox with K&N paper filter (after the Pipercross foam one was destroyed inside 6 months) but i'm not certain if this is a restriction. I quite like the airbox, but will test to see if a cone-filter + heatshield would be better and remove a possible inlet restriction at top-end.

                                Brakes - The RL handbrake is sticking and i'd like something bigger, with the obviously upgrade being the monoblock rear coupe setup with separate handbrake caliper, but this is going to have to wait due to funds.

                                The map will be tweaked for the cams, WMI and possible inlet changes and then it'll be good to go - hopefully pushing more around the 460-480bhp range (vs 431 on the last dyno) with the same 600Nm torque.
                                S2Forum.com Administrator

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