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  • TimE-J
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2009
    • 1292
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #661
    Good luck on getting it sorted!
    96 S2 aby Coupe. Rebuild Project
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    • Christophski
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Mar 2009
      • 3632
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #662
      Hope you get it sorted successfully next week bud

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      • djh
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Jun 2011
        • 1622
        • Home: United States Current: United Kingdom

        #663
        is mrc going to be mapping it? thought you'd paid prj to map it?

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        • prj
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Mar 2010
          • 6308
          • Country: Estonia

          #664
          He hasn't really paid me to map it, it's just on a run in map.
          I think MRC is going to try and see what is wrong with the car and why it's not making boost.
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          • Sonic
            Administrator
            • Jul 2006
            • 5514
            • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

            #665
            Originally posted by prj
            I think MRC is going to try and see what is wrong with the car and why it's not making boost.
            Correct, no plans for them to map it.
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            • Ross
              S2Forum Possessed
              • Aug 2005
              • 3399
              • Country: England

              #666
              I'm sure Sonic will update on this later... but it's not the timing, it was out 1/2 tooth but that has not sorted the boosting problem, at least it's correct now though.

              And it's holding 1bar for ages on a boost leak test @ MRC, so I can keep banging my drum on that. It's not a boost leak.

              ...still no idea what is the cause of the over fuelling

              Next step is to fit his replacement TPS, is that a simple job? Looks to me like TB out, unbolt old, fit replacement, refit TB. Any calibration or careful lining up required?
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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #667
                What's the point of touching the TB?
                Check the opening angle with VAG-COM. If it shows 90+ deg you are good.

                How are you doing the boost test? Are you keeping the intake plumbed up?
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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #668
                  Originally posted by Ross
                  I'm sure Sonic will update on this later... but it's not the timing, it was out 1/2 tooth but that has not sorted the boosting problem, at least it's correct now though.

                  And it's holding 1bar for ages on a boost leak test @ MRC, so I can keep banging my drum on that. It's not a boost leak.

                  ...still no idea what is the cause of the over fuelling

                  Next step is to fit his replacement TPS, is that a simple job? Looks to me like TB out, unbolt old, fit replacement, refit TB. Any calibration or careful lining up required?
                  shock, Well Doug knows how to pressure test on S2 considering how many he's built and has his own car.

                  Any chance MRC can pop their own chips in as a test on the car?

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                  • prj
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 6308
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #669
                    Originally posted by Jamo
                    Any chance MRC can pop their own chips in as a test on the car?
                    Yeah, mapping can fix mechanical problems

                    P.S.
                    Sonic's N75 duty %
                    Code:
                    80	80	79	77	75	69	57	69	97	98	99	99	99	99	99	98
                    Sonic's target boost on 4 bar MAP
                    Code:
                    1.57	1.70	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80	1.80
                    Sonic's boost cut on 4 bar MAP:
                    Code:
                    1.80
                    2.01
                    2.15
                    2.15
                    2.15
                    2.15
                    2.15
                    2.15
                    Yea, if your turbo is making 1 bar at 60%+ N75 duty cycle and going massively rich, that air is going somewhere other than the engine.
                    To anyone that knows anything about mapping, that is kinda obvious.

                    I'll fix the thing next time I'm over, if you are unable to.

                    Last time I will ask - are you keeping the TB plumbed into the IM when doing the boost leak test?
                    Last edited by prj; 16 January 2012, 12:46.
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                    • Sonic
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 5514
                      • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                      #670
                      So yes, i took it up to MRC this morning.

                      Doug and Chris did the pressure test - they said it was solid, which matches the result myself and Ross had. It is not a boost leak, from anywhere on the inlet at least.

                      They adjusted the timing slightly and it was out, as expected, however no change - the car is still performing horribly when you give it some throttle and is running rich

                      They suspect either TPS (which i already have a spare one of) or something funny to do with the injectors, map or ECU.

                      I am going to change the TPS and the stock NB lambda and see where that puts me.

                      If no change then im going to swap ECU and FPR with Ross and give that a go.

                      If that doesn't work then im going to burn the car
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                      • prj
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 6308
                        • Country: Estonia

                        #671
                        Your ECU IS the same as Ross with boost and timing dialed down and injectors slightly rescaled (you have 510cc he has 550cc).

                        Still waiting about the answer regarding boost leak test.
                        I'm 90% sure I know exactly what's wrong with this car
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                        • Sonic
                          Administrator
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 5514
                          • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                          #672
                          I won't pretend i understand the info you posted, but i'm sure it's useful

                          Originally posted by prj
                          Last time I will ask - are you keeping the TB plumbed into the IM when doing the boost leak test?
                          Yes. The catch-tank return into the MAF hose was blocked off, but everything else was left alone, including the TB, and it held 1-bar solid.

                          Do you suggest i remove the TB from the mix and just pressure test the turbo, IC and any other hoses between them? I can, but don't see why this would make any difference?
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                          • prj
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 6308
                            • Country: Estonia

                            #673
                            If it's holding 1 bar like that (with the inlet manifold connected), then it's not a boost leak.

                            Did you pressurize pre-turbo or post-turbo?
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                            • Sonic
                              Administrator
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 5514
                              • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                              #674
                              Originally posted by prj
                              If it's holding 1 bar like that (with the inlet manifold connected), then it's not a boost leak.

                              Did you pressurize pre-turbo or post-turbo?
                              pre-turbo onto the top of the MAF hose where the MAF usually connects.
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                              • prj
                                S2Forum Zealot
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 6308
                                • Country: Estonia

                                #675
                                Did you check the breather check valve on the IM?
                                Block it off, try the car? I mean the small piece where the EVAP connects.
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