You do both it doesn't weaken the block, I've seen it done and have pics of an I5 block and head done up with it. Repo is the man to speak to he has the tool to do it to the correct depth
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Originally posted by Jamo View PostYou do both it doesn't weaken the block, I've seen it done and have pics of an I5 block and head done up with it. Repo is the man to speak to he has the tool to do it to the correct depthUrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =
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Can you go into some depth about balancing your crank?
Like the correction factor used on your bob's and what you mean by internally balancing the crank.
People say the i5 crank is a 50% correction factor but so far no one has given me a understandable explination how this factor is calculated.
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Originally posted by gnutz2 View PostCan you go into some depth about balancing your crank?
Like the correction factor used on your bob's and what you mean by internally balancing the crank.
People say the i5 crank is a 50% correction factor but so far no one has given me a understandable explination how this factor is calculated.
Many thanks Baz.
http://www.rpmmachine.com/engine-balancing.shtml
Internal or External
With "internally balanced" engines, the counterweights themselves handle the job of offsetting the reciprocating mass of the pistons and rods. "Externally balanced" engines, on the other hand, have additional counterweights on the flywheel and/or harmonic damper to assist the crankshaft in maintaining balance. Some engines have to be externally balanced because there isn’t enough clearance inside the crankcase to handle counterweights of sufficient size to balance the engine. This is true of engines with longer strokes and/or large displacements.
If you’re rebuilding an engine that is internally balanced, the flywheel and damper have no effect on engine balance and can be balanced separately. But with externally balanced engines, the flywheel and damper must be mounted on the crank prior to balancing.
You should find out what type of engine balance you have (internal or external), and be cautious about indexing the position of the flywheel if you have to remove it later for resurfacing. Owners of externally balanced engines should also learn about installing different flywheels or harmonic dampers and how it can upset balance.Carlos.
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^^^^That covers the initial portion of it, long and short of it for an engine that may see a flywheel change in it's lifetime is better of being internally balanced.
As for balance factor to make up the bob weights is as follows.
Each bobweight (1 for each big end journal) is calculated by
100% of the big end weight of the rod incl big end bearings + 50% of the weight of the small end of the rod incl wrist pin, c-clips/spiral locks, piston and rings.
That is for an inline 5 whereas for other engines that require different balance factors all you do is change the percentage of the small end total to reflect it.UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =
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Originally posted by Jamo View Postthe cars it was done on is running 700 bhp I think it's safe I believe Pravoola is also running it on his 1000 bhp car.UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =
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Originally posted by RWD19T View PostEach bobweight (1 for each big end journal) is calculated by
100% of the big end weight of the rod incl big end bearings + 50% of the weight of the small end of the rod incl wrist pin, c-clips/spiral locks, piston and rings.
That is for an inline 5 whereas for other engines that require different balance factors all you do is change the percentage of the small end total to reflect it.
How to end up to that "100% + 50%" as good approximation ?
The subject has been interesting. There are earlier threads also covering this area in S2 forum in relation to lightening also http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21805 . .... In search of the 5er saga of smoothness & rev nirvana. Where is the final proven T5 math formula and preferably in excel. Check one example 7, open the details box also and enjoy the math http://www.codecogs.com/reference/en...tia_forces.php
a pic:
" By sketching suitable vector diagrams verify that the engine is in balance for primary and secondary forces. Show in a similar manner that the engine is in balance for primary couples if the distances of the outer and inner cylinders from the central cylinder are in the ratio k=1.618 and that the out-of-balance secondary couple then has the following magnitude " :
But how to do the balance in practice ....
See Chapter 8 of "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice".
http://books.google.com/books?id=mX1...age&q=&f=false
where the 5er vibrations are
http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ne/smooth2.htm
" both ends of the engine will vibrate up and down with respect to the engine center. " ... but Audi did not put the balancing shaft there. why not ?
When big volumes of engines are made and spare parts needed the parts need to be interchangeable. So how crap is stock and how good is fine tuned ?
the stroked big five needs definitive balancing
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../58/5S50MC.jpg
The water grooves were in the 80s in the factory race 10v engines. I have seeen one MRQ engine where done (that rare block now in Norway!)
Keep on doing the good work in this thread and tell then the experiences how softly it revs !Last edited by Tommy200rs; 28 March 2010, 15:47.
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