UrS4 2.2T Avant project

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  • A80Avant
    S2Forum Obsessed
    • Sep 2005
    • 10873
    • Country: Greece

    #151
    so going to that high compression and boost is not always knock limited,as many people declare...

    of course, its E85, but, it can be done!

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    • prj
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Mar 2010
      • 6308
      • Country: Estonia

      #152
      Originally posted by rst
      I wanted more power, so the 330kW from wheels was not enough for me.
      It was easier to this:
      If two is not enogh then i'll just add the third one.

      But enogh of my car.
      Let's hope to see some serious power figures from this car.
      I totally forgot you were running E85. Of course with E85 a single pump will not be enough, because you need much more of it!
      Sorry, my bad.

      We are hoping to map Thuppu's car before the snow comes down. And of course with some tips of the HX40 master in Estonia (Janis) on tktk dyno
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      • Thuppu
        S2Forum Freak
        • Sep 2010
        • 4115
        • Country: Finland

        #153
        Interesting, interesting... The head is not 100% stock so maybe it gives some benefit..? Hopefully.

        Got also more info about the rpm limiting on these 2.2 20vt engines. There have been massive use with 7900 limit(stock oilpump), drag, track, road... The problem with 3:rd cyl(also 2:nd cyl) lubricating is that the oil that goes to the head doesn't reach back to the sump fast enough, so the the pump sucks air and the oilpressure drops fast. The 2:nd and 3:rd cyl bearings goes first. The head is full of oil and the sump is empty. There is a mod that blocks some of the oil to the head, but I haven't been able to find more info of that. The higher viscosity oil you use the slowly the oil pour down to the sump, also the risk for pump cavitation rises.

        When going 8000rpm and over the risk for braking the oil pump rises quickly.

        Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
        Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
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        • Thuppu
          S2Forum Freak
          • Sep 2010
          • 4115
          • Country: Finland

          #154
          Originally posted by prj
          We are hoping to map Thuppu's car before the snow comes down. And of course with some tips of the HX40 master in Estonia (Janis) on tktk dyno
          I really hope this will happen, but my foundings are limited so I can't get everything set up in ones... Also my BMW needs a big maintenance before the winter. But lets see...

          Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
          Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
          BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
          BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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          • Jamo
            Retired OG Mod
            • Mar 2004
            • 21750
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #155
            Originally posted by Thuppu
            Interesting, interesting... The head is not 100% stock so maybe it gives some benefit..? Hopefully.

            Got also more info about the rpm limiting on these 2.2 20vt engines. There have been massive use with 7900 limit(stock oilpump), drag, track, road... The problem with 3:rd cyl(also 2:nd cyl) lubricating is that the oil that goes to the head doesn't reach back to the sump fast enough, so the the pump sucks air and the oilpressure drops fast. The 2:nd and 3:rd cyl bearings goes first. The head is full of oil and the sump is empty. There is a mod that blocks some of the oil to the head, but I haven't been able to find more info of that. The higher viscosity oil you use the slowly the oil pour down to the sump, also the risk for pump cavitation rises.

            When going 8000rpm and over the risk for braking the oil pump rises quickly.
            Speak to Repo he can supply that mod

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            • Thuppu
              S2Forum Freak
              • Sep 2010
              • 4115
              • Country: Finland

              #156
              Yeah, Repo is the one I've got the info from, but he hasn't yet told how to do the mod. Propably the mod needs taking the block apart so propably I don't do it on this engine for now.

              Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
              Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
              BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
              BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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              • Thuppu
                S2Forum Freak
                • Sep 2010
                • 4115
                • Country: Finland

                #157
                Got everything finished today and a testdrive made.

                Made the waterlines a closed loop. It's ready anytime for a new turbo...


                New oilfeed, all steel couplers.


                Needed to mod the pressure side intake a bit.


                Ready for a testdrive.

                Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                • Rocco
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 6393
                  • Country: Spain

                  #158
                  your injectors are not big enough for your turbo

                  how it feels about spooling?
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                  • Thuppu
                    S2Forum Freak
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 4115
                    • Country: Finland

                    #159
                    Originally posted by Rocco
                    your injectors are not big enough for your turbo

                    how it feels about spooling?
                    Luckily I have these



                    Spool is not so bad at all. Have to test it more before any conclusions.

                    Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                    Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                    BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                    BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                    • Jamo
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 21750
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #160
                      Where did you buy the turbo and what hotside is on it out if curiosity?

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                      • Thuppu
                        S2Forum Freak
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 4115
                        • Country: Finland

                        #161
                        I bought it from here: http://www.kkdmotorsport.com/ You get a billet pressure side v-band fitting for free. Hot side is #16.

                        Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                        Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                        BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                        BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                        • Thuppu
                          S2Forum Freak
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 4115
                          • Country: Finland

                          #162
                          Some feeling about the spool...

                          I had problems with overboost, boost spike as 2 bar(1,7 bar is max). I change the wastegate spring to stock one and now I get 1,7 bar but on the high end it drops to 1,5bar so propably the wastegate is creeping open when the ex pressure rises. But have to take it easy whit this setup so i don't brake the engine before re-mapping.

                          What about spool?

                          0,1 bar at 2000
                          0,5 bar at 3800
                          1,7 bar at 4500

                          Maybe those figures get a little better when we get the mapping done..?

                          Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                          Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                          BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                          BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                          • A80Avant
                            S2Forum Obsessed
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 10873
                            • Country: Greece

                            #163
                            which gear?

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                            • Thuppu
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 4115
                              • Country: Finland

                              #164
                              4:th.

                              Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                              Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                              BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                              BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                              • A80Avant
                                S2Forum Obsessed
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 10873
                                • Country: Greece

                                #165
                                thats a bit later that what i had.

                                maybe mapping might cure it slightly. I had 1.8bar at around 4200ish and 4650 at around 3d gear, if i remember correctly

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